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Missing Entries

Missing are:

dab (ᛏ) 10:20, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Giving names uniformly

"Mahabharata" vs. "Mahbharata". I wonder why there is a missing "a" letter in the name in the list--compared to the real name (the title of the actual article Mahabharata).--Imz 00:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Uniform transliteration in names. Writing ā in Mahabharata (1) should imply writing ī in Bhagavad Gita (2), and so on. The current situation is: (1) is true, (2) is false. Should be fixed?--Imz 00:38, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I've treated both things.--Imz 01:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

I have posed certain questions about this template at Hinduism noticeboard's talk page. Please feel free to chime in there. Thanks. Abecedare 03:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason the article mentioned the Artharva Veda as being referred to as the fifth Veda, when it is the fourth out of four. I fixed that, but if someone knows why then fix it back —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.237.157 (talk) 19:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yoga Vasistha

The Yoga Vasistha is missing here. Could it be added? If so, where? Wiki-uk (talk) 04:54, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hindu astrology books

Hindu astrology books are not scriptures. So removing them. Redtigerxyz ^Talk 10:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Missing

Stotra

AbHi^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:05, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not all texts are scriptures

The title and sections of this template imply that all Hindu texts are scriptures, including their Sanskrit texts on music, phonetics, etc. Few Hindu texts are considered by scholars as Hindu scriptures, most are non-scriptures. Many have religious / spiritual / Hindu culture-related content. For sources and a discussion on Hindu scriptures, see: [1] Scripture, Encyclopedia Britannica (see Scriptures in non-Western religions section); [2] R.C. Zaehner (1992), Hindu Scriptures, Penguin Random House, ISBN 978-0679410782; [3] Dominic Goodall, Hindu Scriptures, University of California Press, ISBN 978-0520207783.

How about the following layout, based on above and other sources:

Vedas
Upanishads
Other scriptures
- Bhagavad Gita, Agamas
Hindu texts
- Vedangas
- Shastras and Sutras
- Puranas
- Itihasa
Scripture classification
Timeline

Pinging @Joshua Jonathan:, @Abecedare:, @Kautilya3: and others for thoughts. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:39, 1 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sarah, I think the border between scripture and non-scripture is not clear cut in Hinduism, and I am afraid Hindus call pretty much every ancient text a "scripture," perhaps wrongly. I am happy for you to reclassify the texts, but the subtle distinction will probably be lost on most people. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 09:27, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Shastras and Sutras

Shashtras are not by any stretch Hindu texts. There is nothing in the wiki article for Shashtras: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shastra itself that indicates that it can be called. The delimitation of what constitutes a Hindu text itself is unclear, therefore it is more logical to go by what can be considered religious in nature and shashtras do not fall in that category.

Moreover, in the list there are many scriptures which fall neither in the category of shashtra nor sutras. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.85.255 (talk) 15:27, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@122.163.85.255: First, welcome to wikipedia. Next, this is just a template, merely a collection of convenient navigational links. The template does not say anywhere that Shastras are found only in Hinduism. Hindu texts do include Shastra and Sutras, but indeed not all Shastra and Sutras are Hindu texts. The link provides convenience to those who wish to navigate to those Hindu texts that are Shastras and Sutras. Your "more logical to go" argument is not persuasive and incorrect. Shastras and Sutras are a genre of Hindu texts (see Jan Gonda, Alper, Staal, Sharma, etc). For all these reasons, I am reverting your edit back to the older version. Please note that per WP:BRD you should not edit war and seek consensus for change to this stable template, on this talk page. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:49, 30 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sushruta and Charaka additions

Here are the WP:RS supporting their additions:

Sushruta Samhita^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]

Charaka Samhita^[5]^[6]

Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Sarah Boslaugh (2007), Encyclopedia of Epidemiology, Volume 1, SAGE Publications, ISBN 978-1412928168, page 547, Quote: "The Hindu text known as Sushruta Samhita (600 AD) is possibly the earliest effort to classify diseases and injuries".
^ Loukas, M; et al. (2010). "Anatomy in ancient India: A focus on the Susruta Samhita". Journal of Anatomy. 217 (6): 646. doi:10.1111/j.1469-7580.2010.01294.x. Quote: Susruta's Samhita emphasized surgical matters, including the use of specific instruments and types of operations. It is in his work that one finds significant anatomical considerations of the ancient Hindu. {{cite journal}}: Explicit use of et al. in: |author1= (help)
^ Raveenthiran, Venkatachalam (2011). "Knowledge of ancient Hindu surgeons on Hirschsprung disease: evidence from Sushruta Samhita of circa 1200-600 bc". Journal of Pediatric Surgery. 46 (11). Elsevier BV: 2204–2208. doi:10.1016/j.jpedsurg.2011.07.007. {{cite journal}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)
^ E. Schultheisz (1981), History of Physiology, Pergamon Press, ISBN 978-0080273426, page 60-61, Quote: "(...) the Charaka Samhita and the Susruta Samhita, both being recensions of two ancient traditions of the Hindu medicine".
^ Wendy Doniger (2014), On Hinduism, Oxford University Press, ISBN 978-0199360079, page 79, Quote: A basic assumption of Hindu medical texts like the Charaka Samhita (composed sometime between 100 BCE and 100 CE) is the doctrine of the three (...).
^ Thomas Banchoff (2009), Religious pluralism, globalization, and world politics, Oxford University Press, ISBN 978-0195323412, page 284, Quote: An early Hindu text, the Caraka Samhita, vividly describes the beginning of life (...)

Unable to set default expanded row

Even if I try to expand all sections with {{Hindu scriptures and texts|all}, nothing expands.

. Could someone with more knowledge come along and fix this weird issue? Thanx.

--Abhinav (talk) 16:32, 17 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 4 February 2021

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please replace Shaiva word with Shiva which is written in the right sidebar in the dropdown menu. Nynmetatagg (talk) 13:00, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. The header is refering to Shaivism. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:07, 5 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please include Sangam literature aswell. It is very important Hindu texts. 157.49.191.178 (talk) 17:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please say exactly where you'd like Sangam literature to be added. Thanks. --Ferien (talk) 12:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Sangam Literature as a new section and add Eight Anthologies, Ten Idylls, Eighteen Lesser Texts and Thirukkural and Tolkāppiyam.

Reason: These are huge literary works of Tamil Hinduism dating to 2nd century BC - 10th century CE. These are of prime importance in South Indian , Srilankan & South East Asian Hinduism. These are non-vedic shaivasim texts. There are plenty and these are very important to be added as separate column. You can refer List of Hindu texts article aswell. Reference: https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/07/15/basic-questions-about-tamils-hinduism/ https://www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/articles/sacred-texts-in-hinduism 157.49.185.57 (talk) 06:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 23:48, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

consensus

Can Sangam Literature be added as a new section and add Eight Anthologies, Ten Idylls, Eighteen Lesser Texts and Thirukkural and Tolkāppiyam.

Reason: These are huge literary works of Tamil Hinduism dating to 2nd century BC - 10th century CE. These are of prime importance in South Indian , Srilankan & South East Asian Hinduism. These are non-vedic shaivasim texts. There are plenty and these are very important to be added as separate column. This template is confined to sanskrit texts alone. You can refer List of Hindu texts article aswell. Reference: https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/07/15/basic-questions-about-tamils-hinduism/ https://www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/articles/sacred-texts-in-hinduism

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Please add Sangam Literature as a new section and add Eight Anthologies, Ten Idylls, Eighteen Lesser Texts and Thirukkural and Tolkāppiyam as it's members.

Reason: These are huge literary works of Tamil Hinduism dating to 2nd century BC - 10th century CE. These are of prime importance in South Indian , Srilankan & South East Asian Hinduism. These are non-vedic shaivasim texts. There are plenty and these are very important to be added as separate column. This template is confined to sanskrit texts alone. You can refer List of Hindu texts article aswell. Reference: https://tamilandvedas.com/2014/07/15/basic-questions-about-tamils-hinduism/ https://www.bl.uk/sacred-texts/articles/sacred-texts-in-hinduism 157.49.184.223 (talk) 11:45, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]