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I am not sure exactly how to do this with CSS, but I propose we fix the alignment of the text in this template. As it's currently built, the text is centered within the container which is pushed over by the "show" buttons. If we could put the "show" button within a full-width container, perhaps we could assign the text to be center-aligned to the container div.

As noted above, we used to have Chomsky and Zizek, but even with those removed, this seems to vaguely encompass everything from social liberals to the far-left. Progressivism is rather a vague descriptor that is defined differently in different places, but even so, we have entries such as Kier Starmer, who is widely noted for socially conservative/pseudo-nationalistic pandering, Jeremy Corbyn, which I'm noting because he represents the opposing (former) wing of the Labour Party, AMLO, a sort of left-populist/opportunist socdem, and Joe Biden, representing the establishment wing of the Democratic Party - my point being that this extremely scattershot. I'm also highlty doubtful that the most notable progressive "commentators" should include edgelord Twitch streamers such as Vaush and Destiny - who are themselves strongly ideologically opposed, by the way. And we still have some Marxists like Angela Davis, alongside people like Michelle Obama, and some really inexeplicable stuff like Sweet Baby Inc., which is only really notable because of online rightoids trying to force GamerGate 2.0 into existence over it. Iostn (talk) 21:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NAVBOX; I don't think a lot of these links meet these criteria, particulary #1 and #2. Certainly a lot of these don't directly mention "progressivism", and some of the justification for inclusion relies on degrees of separation. #2 of the criteria seems to suggest degrees of separation aren't ok. seefooddiet (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I second that this navbox is so vague as to be pointless and it fails the criteria 1 and 2. If there is an ideology shared by Biden-Harris and "The Squad", and by Starmer and Corbyn, it's too broad to be defined. It's basically anyone who isn't a member of a conservative-leaning or far-left party. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm no expert on this area, but do academics for example class the early 20th-century progressivism of Teddy Roosevelt's Progressive Party with modern movements called "progressive"? Are these separate movements with the same name? The causes of the first progressives such as eugenics and prohibition are anathema to modern ones. Unknown Temptation (talk) 21:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please note that the entries about which this thread was originally, have almost all been removed by now. Roggenwolf (talk) 16:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starmer has since been added back in for some reason. Not sure about the others, but I'll get to removing him now. TheHarveyWallbanger (talk) 19:17, 2 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm cleaning up the sidebar to be more on topic. Some of the removed subjects should be included in a Liberalism sidebar, which for some reason does not exist. I try to add most other removels into a more appropriate sidebar (like Garveyism into Template:Black Power sidebar). For the future I would also recommend creating sub-headings within each list to better distinguish the historical progressive movement from modern progressivism (as Teddy Roosevelt and the Social hygiene movement wouldn't really be considered progressive in the modern sense, so mixing them is odd). — jonas (talk) 23:59, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]