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Hi, Fenix Down. I have noticed you are an active admin who quite often edit pages related with soccer (I even remember situation where we [1]were talking. I have question to you related with page List of association football players considered the greatest of all time - this page require better security. I also recently reported it to Edit wars. Could you give our opinion about this page at these section and add this page to pagewatch? Is this right when whoever can edit this page and interpretate it in a free way? I think this page should be seriously reviewed. And all next vandalism here should be controlled by pagewatchers and all biased edit discouraged on this page. Cheers. Dawid2009 (talk) 16:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I am writing to you in regard to this AfD closure of yours. I see you've merged the list of hatricks to Singapore Premier League, which is certainly acceptable. However, you've chosen redirect as an outcome of the discussion. For me, you should've chosen merge instead, as it reflects what was stated in comments below ("merge and delete" action is usually not justified on Wikipedia, so it's pretty clear you've left a redirect after a merge). For a person not knowing about your merge, it looks like you've supervoted on the discussion. Therefore, I'd be thankful if you took just one another look on this AfD. Thanks! Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 21:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I have changed the close rationale to merge and redirect for clarity. Fenix down (talk) 23:05, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Best, Tymon.r Do you have any questions? 00:34, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

No problem, happy to clear up any confusion. Fenix down (talk) 18:17, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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"Fenix down" is like my entire watchlist right now, top to bottom :-) Just wanted to drop a note to say thank you for your continuing time and effort patrolling AfD. Leviv ich 15:39, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

One more thing since I'm here: what's your opinion about the most # of pending Footy AfDs there should be, or the maximum number of nominations per editor per day/week, before it's "too much" to the point of being disruptive (or, at least, overwhelming closers). Curious so I don't flood the feed. Leviv ich 15:43, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, no problem, the closing admin is meant to weight up the strength of arguments, so when players have only played a handful games and the keep votes are all just "meets NFOOTY" whereas the deletes are all "fails GNG" it's clear who has the strongest argument. Regarding number of nominations, it's tricky. Where a nber are all not notable for the same reason and it is clear there is no GNG then you could bundle. It can make things messy. There's also no rush with these things. 5-10 live AfDs I think is enough, particularly if there starts being a proper discussion on some of them, but there's no hard and fast rule, just avoid being pointy. Hope that helps. Fenix down (talk) 19:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it does help – thanks again! Leviv ich 21:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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Could you please block user:IamAFish45612 for me real quick. They appear to be a vandalism-only account. CLCStudent (talk) 14:45, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

See CLCStudent’s talk page before doing so. Give me a few minutes however to make a post there. NJA | talk 14:50, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Fenix. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zach Varga was closed as no consensus "without this precluding a renomination with an updated rationale". This was one of the USL Second Division nominations, but it did not get included in the bundled nomination (which have now been re-nom'd individually). IMO the same rationale applies to this one as to the other USL 2nd Div articles: doesn't meet NFOOTY (since USL 2nd Div was not fully-professional) and doesn't meet GNG (per my BEFORE search). I think it just got lost in the shuffle, but wanted to check with you: OK if I renominate it on no-NFOOTY/no-GNG grounds? Thanks. Leviv ich 22:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, only just seen this. I dont see why not, especially given the opinions in the most recent afDs. Fenix down (talk) 15:22, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

fenix bro please take care of thimphu league and bhutapn football team pages where i had troubles with vandals 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Skippy Vavil (talk) 13:26, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Fenix down. Since you protected the Bhutan article and have been one of the primary contributors to article over the years, I thought you'd might be interested in WT:FOOTY#Bhutan national football team. Perhaps I'm the one in the wrong here, so it would be helpful to here from some others who also participated in that particular WT:NFCC discussion. Maybe it should be re-opened for further discussion at WT:NFCC. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

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See that the page is protected,but wanted to update that they were eliminated from 2022 World Cup. Any way to update now? Or have to wait? MaskedSinger (talk) 16:04, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Its only autoconfirmed protected due to an edit war over the use of the logo. I see you have been able to update the article. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 17:36, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Why was the page for Lucas Pos deleted? I was told there would be a discussion, but there was quite literally no discussion. Is this the normal procedure? I feel as if I researched things and put together a reasoned objection for absolutely no reason. rbradeyb1 (talk) 10:35, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

There was the usual AfD discussion which you took part in. Your objection was noted but was not successful as it did not properly cite accepted guidelines. Your argument rested on two points. Firstly that playing in the second division of swiss football is notable. It is not per WP:NFOOTY, which clearly states that only players who have played in leagues determined to be fully professional per WP:FPL are considered notable. Secondly you stated he is notable because he has made an appearance at junior international level. Again per nfooty only players who have made senior international appearances are notable. Where players do not satisfy nfooty, they have to show notably per gng. Your argument did not provide indication that he has received significant reliable coverage in third party sources. Hope this helps clarify things. Fenix down (talk) 20:31, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Given in the previous AFD on this, you were the first person to call for keep, concluding that "Needs sourced prose added not deleting", I'm wondering what has changed your mind? Nfitz (talk) 01:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Because that is the way I interpret the strength of the arguments presented. The closing admin isn't supposed to weigh in with their own opinion. There were calls to expand some of the articles a number of years ago and this hasn't happened. Additionally, in this AfD, there are numerous claims that the articles meet GNG, but very little evidence to a totally support this. NSEASONS is just a presumption of not ability, if that cant be shown when challenged in AfD, then it is unlikely that the articles will be kept. I relisted the AfD to give editors time to do this. Fenix down (talk) 07:20, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough - though does that mean that their previous notability was temporary (Joking!) Nfitz (talk) 13:43, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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I told more users to add right logo, just watch !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.121.22 (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

I've already told this IP to go to Talk:Transport United F.C. and there calmly and clearly explain what the problem is. -- Hoary (talk) 09:45, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Hoary, I protected the page because this user, whilst they mainly make useful contributions, has a habit of removing logos because there is supposedly a newer version but not updating the logo which I find uncostructive. They also have a habit of removing sour ed information and replacing it with unsourced as well as leaving ranty edit summaries. To be honest this could be a very useful editor but they don't seem to want to engage or create an account. Fenix down (talk) 13:31, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

My man i dont know upload here so dont have account. Here is uploaded logo, please add on page. Its right information, less impprtant who posts. So if know please do it, otherwise wrong logo is useless. Wiki should be truth so i always try add links but you as pro know more technical things. Upload and end this please 🙏

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Transport_United_Logo.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.121.22 (talk) 16:28, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Or here please

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/64453041_1278570022290367_7966014867687604224_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQnRU4R2G2iecpKlX3SjnpvAwjBBebhhwB7hN68yVho-hVjg3bpDAJ2Ws_BZ2Xn041s&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=6aed8faf04d9cfe9abe97bafd9b53fba&oe=5D8C1438

Hi, you're right, it should be updated and will be in time (I'm only on mobile for a while so it is difficult for me, but I will do it in a week or so if someone else doesn't. It would be really useful if you created an account as we could then talk more easily about Bhutan football. The way to do this is described in the welcome note I left you on your talk page. While you still just use an I.p. it is difficult for us to efficiently talk. Fenix down (talk) 16:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Few more logos:

Terton

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.C._Tertons

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Druk united

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druk_United_F.C.#

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/31087219_1447269398740720_2664535682520711168_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQlJFPvS0THQfnrZugagco6H0A0TsxILB9oB_eK5T0i55XpvE5oXE6zG9IELuf5NOZU&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=48abf56496bc54a534b0670a846d77f3&oe=5DBF9C41

Ugyen academy

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ugyen_Academy_F.C.#

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/41719285_234909023849087_1180179493076074496_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQk-fpv7-jL6kGciGe30iic0Z30Hfg69jSbhQ3aHrKHofR0hOZlTIzjVf04qfoFYiO4&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=04aed62c26d138bee061e60ff7ba28e9&oe=5DBD69AB

Paro

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paro_F.C.#

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/53003735_398697707596315_6194799414565928960_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_oc=AQn7QezcmbsDSYdVPhDInanomYUsNczMM8KdTPcr8e_9NtpXwi3QDFDqkTxxyTMXum0&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=20b05289a7d83596d7d9ce1d53135c5b&oe=5D920B17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.121.22 (talk) 16:50, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Druk Stars

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druk_Star_F.C.#

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/535701_574429652582175_1640492867_n.png.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQmL_u6mPwy9QTWcVKxQCVKLc6EYF7zlYxnamSlRM-nun9jGfEav10117RYoGApDBUc&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=466c7ea4d77f1c3aab548679b95ad0af&oe=5D7FD3E3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.121.22 (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhutan_National_League

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/64324771_2261236910638534_3874422863087796224_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQnF46vjowxRMwmU-FmpwAnKIcfwbW9Yuq11MXJ2roJyIwKMCD8jyKdmhl0qiDG49N8&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=d3e5941410de3bce30ab1cdf4d32b7fb&oe=5D909D42 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.121.22 (talk) 17:38, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thimphu_League

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/54524970_2254907591198747_309672098433859584_o.png.jpg?_nc_cat=104&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_oc=AQkqoYLEchYs-9pg-PuUZzdurp3EgdS2AflCPoQdNHq6nXRQKUL5-lqYZnKqYMkimqM&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=b8af4205b38015cedc163ca5fb90d91d&oe=5D8BC724 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.121.22 (talk) 17:41, 22 June 2019 (UTC) AND UPDATE TRANSPORT UNITED LOGO 300, PRO CLUB, KIT, AC CUP ALL CORRECT...FLAKE RETARD MOVED! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.142.145.111 (talk) 23:21, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Why do you keep reverting my edits? Some of the links can't be fixed, and there was no deletion discussion. Matthewishere0 05:11, 27 June 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewishere0 (talk • contribs)

Because you are making some edits that are not entirely useful. In reverting some of your edits I fixed the broken link, which is always preferable to simply removing it. There was o deletion discussion on the article you prodded because there needn't be for a prod, it was simply contested. Plus, given that the team have competed in their country's national championship, they are generally considered notable per WP:FOOTYN. Fenix down (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense, but on some of them they were just grammar fixes. You reverted it and it went back to the bad grammar. Also, which one was the broken link, was it the rsssf palau 2012 one? Matthewishere0 16:10, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry if I reverted some grammar fixes, I'm on mobile a lot at the moment so don't really see the full screen, so may well have missed some. The rsssf ref was a Palau one. For future reference, these links will never truly be dead as rsssf is a major site. In this instance though they had updated the link to split the page between the spring and autumn championships. Fenix down (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Would you be willing to send me a copy of Synchronized_Football I would like to preserve the page under The List of hoaxes section rather than where it is now

Thanks! Rockstonetalk to me! 22:26, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi Rockstone, to be honest I am not sure in this instance that that is entirely appropriate. Whilst there may well have been some hoax element in the article (like it being really popular amongst Norwegian youth), it does seem to be a genuine, if non notable training format / exercise, so not something I personally would call a blatant hoax. Fenix down (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

If that's the case, then should it be removed from Wikipedia:List_of_hoaxes_on_Wikipedia#Extant_for_10+_years? Thanks. Rockstonetalk to me! 04:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

In my opinion yes but that's just my opinion. Even if it is not a blatant hoax, it could still serve use in that list as an example of something that probably exists but has hoax elements in it to make it seem more notable than it is. I'm happy for you to ask other admins for the text though if you want a second opinion. Fenix down (talk) 07:48, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you! Rockstonetalk to me! 15:28, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hello! Just wondering how your interpretation of the Lenox Tweneboa AfD was delete? Admittedly just, from myself, one keep, but two other editors shared signs of my reasoning being correct - no-one dismissed it. Two of the three deletes were due to "Subject has not play for any top tier club" and "fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL", both of which were incorrect - Yadanarbon are a "top tier" team in Myanmar's top division, which is listed at WP:FPL - so doesn't fail NFOOTY. The third delete was due to GNG, which could be a fair shout but wasn't discussed further. Deletion also seems a bit hasty given the last input, a suggestion of passing NFOOTY, was only added yesterday. If I've missed something, please do share - I'm always learning! R96Skinner (talk) 12:28, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, it is a bit tricky this one, Myanmar is listed as an FPL, but it is always very difficult to find sources to support claims. Nfitz did find a couple of youtube links showing he played at least twice, so a technical NFOOTY pass, but coverage of a match does not equal coverage of the individual, so with these links being all that was offered to support NFOOTY and nothing to support GNG, also given the fact that he stopped playing 4-5 years ago according to the article, this is, unless someone is going to present new sources showing significant third party coverage, a clear GNG failure and an instance where the player is unlikely to ever come back to an FPL level. Fenix down (talk) 12:36, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Fenix Down. I would like to ask if you could help with an issue we're facing now in the Iraqi Premier League topic.

Basically there are contradicting sources about the league winners in 2002/03 and 2013/14. The sources are very shaky to say the least and I think an admin should have an look at it.

https://ahdaaf.me/2019/07/16/iraqs-post-truth-wikipedia-league-champions-how-four-titles-became-six/?cbg_tz=-120

The Wiki editor won't be convinced by what I say and won't change his opinion. Could you please help?

Hi Fenix down, I'm the Wiki editor Steel Dogg is referring to. I know Steel Dogg has good intentions but I feel that he is ignoring primary sources (i.e written at the time of said season) from reliable and reputable organisations or websites. Everything on the 2002–03 Iraqi First Division and 2013–14 Iraqi Premier League pages as of now are well-referenced with primary sources. Why should we ignore a plethora of reliable primary sources just because of an opinion piece or lower quality secondary sources (i.e written years after said season) that's not how Wikipedia supposed to work. Do you have advice on how to proceed with this? Hashim-afc (talk) 13:36, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Hasim, can you give me a bt more detail, I am not sure what is realy going on here, or what you would like me to do. Thanks, Fenix down (talk) 13:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

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