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Hello, Fenix Down. I see that the page Muhd Syafiq Ahmad and Muhammad Syazwan Tajuddin was deleted. But can I ask for the page to be restored? well, I don't know if the reason is acceptable, but Kedah is playing in the Malaysia Cup right now. And it is a fully-professional cup. So I am wondering if this counts for the player to be notable?

Hi Hewkiivorox, I'd need to look at it a little at sources confirming their appearances and against whom they played. But if they have played in the competition in a match against a team from another FPL then I don't see any problem in principle. Could oyu provide sources for me to consider, please? Fenix down (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

The page Selangor FA, is being attempted for the name to be changed to AFC Selangor... I tried to tell him, what he was doing is wrong. But he ignores and changes every word that contains Selangor FA into AFC Selangor. The User who edited it is Wikimoneya... hope you can teach him a thing or two... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hewkiivorox (talk • contribs) 03:12, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I have reverted as unreferenced and will keep an eye on the page but am not around much the next few days. Fenix down (talk) 19:19, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

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Ymblanter and I deleted your Kuwait Champions Challenge prods, but see [1] and [2]. Nyttend (talk) 14:39, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Can you point me to comments made by the editor that show notability aligned to relevant guidelines? All I'm seeing is primary sources in the article for a one off non notable friendly football match. Will be taking to AfD as unclear why they have been restored. Fenix down (talk) 21:27, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Policy says that when a prodded page is deleted, we undelete it if someone asks for it back. Agreeing with you on that matter, I disagreed with the undeletion requests to which I linked, but it would be quite disingenuous to refuse to undelete them, as there's nothing fundamentally wrong with them: if we had looser notability standards, we'd unquestioningly keep these pages. Nyttend (talk) 07:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Quick question for you. From the admin side of things, how does discovery of CSD nominated articles work? I know that for other deletion processes there are categories or logs, but I can't find anything analogous for speedy deletion. Specifically, I'm concerned something may have gone wrong when I nominated Amir Hadžiahmetović four days ago. It's gone unaddressed since. Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm... I try to avoid CSD, but my understanding is that admins monitor Category:Candidates for speedy deletion. That page does seem to have a backlog but not sure why it has taken so long to address. I have G4'd it as I agree that is is essentially the same as the previous deleted version, that he fails NFOOTY and there is no indication of GNG. Fenix down (talk) 18:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

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Please help when you have time to create the 1999, 2001 and 2006 season! Also this page should not redirect 1987 Oceania Club Championship Final and have a separate page with only the final game. I do not know how to do it. Thanks!--86.121.111.245 (talk) 18:33, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hello sir!

I realize that Matyash is the correct romanization of Cyrillic 'Матяш', and I agree with you.

Unfortunately, the authorities in Kyrgyzstan don't quite realize that, so the player Pavel Matyash is officially Pavel Matiash. You can see his passport copy as a proof.

He is also registered with such spelling in FIFA systems.

In such case, what should be the name of his Wikipedia page? This can be mentioned within the article about him.

Hi! I did wonder where you were getting a romanisation from! In this instance though, we should still use Matyash per WP:RUS as this is the common way of romanising "я" across enWiki. It would probably worth mentioning something along the lines of "also known as Pavel Matiash" though in parentheses. Fenix down (talk) 16:23, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for explaining the rules! I added a section to his article.

Hello! I was the original editor who removed the Elo ratings and biggest win/loss from the Infobox national football team, and I see that you reverted this change due to not enough consensus. I would like to ask your recommendation on how to obtain more consensus, because there have been many discussions about removing these parameters in the past; the the discussion always "leaned in favor" of removing them, but it was never accepted because there was "not enough consensus". Unfortunately this is due to lack of interest on the talk page and because topics are already archived after 7 days, so how can we reach a more clear result? Should I create "Proposal: ..." sections for both removal suggestions, and is there a way to get more people to vote on it then? Thank you for any suggestions. –Sygmoral (talk) 17:15, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Sygmoral. I think the only way to gain more consensus is another go at WT:FOOTY. However, I think a different approach is probably better and that is see how individual infoboxes look in individual articles. Although I reverted because I didn't feel there was consensus (looking at the talk thread and the edit history of the template it is 4-2 in favour of removing - which I don't think is enough given the wide use of the template), what caused me to do this was the thinking that at Bhutan national football team that I have been editing recently, that such statistics were valid in the infobox, partly because the length of the article meaning that the infobox was not too long and partly because the loss to Kuwait suffered by Bhutan was a then world record defeat and so is inherently notable in itself (and could probably have its own article).

What I think would be preferable would be for infoboxes to be treated on a case by case basis. where an article is of sufficient length then a couple of extra stats in the infobox would seem fine, particularly if they are mentioned in the main body of the article. On the other hand, where the infobox is of disproportionate length to the article, then it should be trimmed, but it should be done through editing, moving relevant content to sourced prose in the main body of the article, not through removing paramters from infoboxes and losing the information altogether. Fenix down (talk) 17:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello Fenix, One question. Why did you protect the Boca Juniors page from editing? I dont agree with its content and some comments as they are tendentious and are not relying on reliable sources. Thanks--202.62.98.33 (talk) 17:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi IP, I protected the page because sourced content is being repeatedly removed without any attempt to discuss the reliability of those sources on the talk page. If you have problems with the sourcing then please start a thread on the article talk page and outline the sources you have issues with and the reasons why rather than just edit warring over content. To be honest I'm not an expert on the sources themselves but I don't see anything inherently unreliable there but am happy to be shown I am wrong and will in protect the page if that is done. Fenix down (talk) 18:18, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Hey, would you still be interested in becoming part of the new Oceania taskforce that may potentially go ahead? Thanks! Lawrencedepe (talk) 03:04, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Sure, if there is appetite from sufficient numbers of other editors to allow a task force to be set up. It would be good to coordinate things a bit better. Fenix down (talk) 13:04, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

I will improve and create the 3 finals: 1999, 2001, 2006. Could you help by creating teams which played in the competitions? See: 1987 Oceania Club Championship, there are a few redlinks teams and also other teams from other newer editions! Thanks!--Oceania Octupus (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Given your involvement in the discussion of this editor a few days ago, I should let you know that I've filed a ban motion at I should let you know that I've filed a WP:CBAN motion at WP:AN#Motion for WP:CBAN against User:Alexiulian25 after he registered two new sockpuppets. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:54, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

@Sir Sputnik: I'll have a look at that and comment. Out of interest, what do you think of the user in the thread above. Oceania Octupus is a new user who just happens to be going crazy editing Oceanian football articles and now some UEFA ones. First edit was to User talk:Lawrencedepe, which is a strange place to begin and is a talk page Alex Iulian used to post to. I wonder if this is yet another sock? Fenix down (talk) 08:46, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

In a routine check for potentially non-notable articles, I came across this one. A little under a year ago, you PROD'ed it, and then immediately contested your own PROD. Do you remember what that was about, because I don't see a source of notability here? Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:53, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

It was about the time there were several AfDs for players in the Burma top division where it was clear they had been part of a club in an fpl but nothing to indicate they had actually played. I erred on the side of caution here assuming it unlikely someone would move to Burma from Macedonia and not play but soccerway has nothing listed for the seasons he was meant to be there so I don't have a problem if you want to take to AfD. Fenix down (talk) 21:25, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Nope, have heard nothing about a friendly so far and I just checked the AIFF website and there is no announcement from them yet. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi there, the list of names on the notable former players section, are the only names that are collected from all of the sources which make up the content of the article. They are all notable for having been involved in the historic highlights of the club as mentioned in the article. They are the only names that are mentioned in the official Sports Encyclopedia of Suriname as notable former players. The only other players that are included which were not mentioned in relation to the club's accolades and its history in accordance with the source material, are ones that have won individual achievement awards while playing at Transvaal since the publication of the official encyclopedia. I think it is a very organized way to chart the players who have helped Transvaal to its success. Other clubs have this section as well and it goes unchallenged. If there is anything that needs to be added, or any additional clarification that is necessary let me know. (Subzzee (talk) 14:35, 14 March 2016 (UTC))

Hi Subzee, there are a number of issues with the list that I removed:

1. There is no clear inclusion criteria provided as required by the Manual of Style and there seems to be no clear way of understanding how the list is constructed per your comment above.
2. If they are from a list from the official Sports Encyclopedia of Suriname, then you need to cite where this list can be found.
3. The fact that most of them a redlinked would suggest that from a WP notability pov they probably aren't that notable and so this is not a source that should be used.
4. It is then unclear where the others who have won individual achievement awards have come from.
5. It is also unclear what "won individual achievement awards" even means and why this means they should be called out specifically.
6. The fact that you "think it is a very organized way to chart the players who have helped Transvaal to its success" is not relevant. Indeed it is particularly unhelpful as your notion of what constitutes a notable player and what another editor thinks are likely to be very different. Without clear inclusion criteria it is not possible to say whether an additional player should be added or why those currently included are there.
7. The fact that other clubs have similar listings is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not relevant also. The manual of style is quite clear on this.

If, as you say, these are players who "are all notable for having been involved in the historic highlights of the club as mentioned in the article" then it would be better they are mentioned in conjunction with these events in sourced prose in the main body of the article rather than called out in an unrelated list where they cannot be aligned to these achievements.

Given your comments above and the inherently confused nature of the list that they indicate, I would suggest that the remaining link to the category is sufficient as it provides guidance to readers to all players who played for the club who also either played senior international football or played in a fully professional league per WP:NFOOTY. Fenix down (talk) 14:48, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

The list is not as confusing as you make it out to be, nor is the criteria for inclusion on that list. You have a sports team and its successes, and then you have those players who helped to achieve that success who are considered noteworthy players when talking about said club. It is the reason why they were included in the official encyclopedia in relation to these events, and it is the reason I listed them as being notable players when talking about SV Transvaal. To those who know the club, I doubt there would be any surprise to anyone on the list. To people who don't it gives an index of players who contributed to the clubs success. The only players that I included who were not mentioned in the official encyclopedia were players who either won the Surinamese Footballer of the Year award, the Golden boot award or who finished as top goal scorer while playing for the club. As for the players in red, they are all articles that I still have to create and they will be done very soon. Anyway, you can leave the list off, I found it a helpful tool to navigate and get somewhat of an overview of the names worth mentioning when talking about Transvaal, but if it was too confusing for you then it will probably confuse others so best to do without. Regards, (Subzzee (talk) 15:11, 14 March 2016 (UTC))

I don't think it would be confusing if you made it clear what the inclusion criteria were per your last message, but think it would be better for you to create the player articles first before adding back the list. Fenix down (talk) 15:13, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, may I enquire why PSV Nickerie was moved to P.S.V. Nickerie? I have never seen it written with punctuation. It is always written as PSV. None of the sources show it as written with punctuation. They even use a blue version of the same badge as PSV Eindhoven at their games. I have paid close attention to include punctuation when and where it was used by the club themselves in my creation of articles for clubs from Suriname. There are some clubs who do not include punctuation in the spelling of their names, and I have tried to stay true to the official club name in all instances. Regards, (Subzzee (talk) 16:01, 14 March 2016 (UTC)) The only instances where I removed the punctuation of a club were for S.C.S.V. Kamal Dewaker for example, because of the length, I did not want 'Sociaal Culturele Sportvereniging ' to outweigh the actual name Kamal Dewaker, but in all other instances where it was spelled S.V. or V.V. (Sportvereniging or Voetbalvereniging) I was careful to include or leave out the punctuation according to how the clubs spell it themselves. But PSV (Politie Sportvereniging) is not the same. (Subzzee (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2016 (UTC))

Because I was bold and attempted to create a consistency across clubs for suffixes. There is no set standard on WP, for whether "." should or should not be included. Although in many instances moves I made aligned to the club badge, in some instances trying to do so would have been nonsensical. Your comparison to PSV Eindhoven in this instance is not correct, they are abbreviations for completely different things and the similarity of the badge is not really correct. Plus, looking at RSSSF I don't see Nickerie as part of the name, so if you wish to move it back then it should probably go to PSV (Suriname) as I do not see the element "Nickerie" being use in any sources provided per WP:COMMONNAME. However, I'm happy for you to move it back if you think this is better, though in other instances, I think it is better to have consistency across a countries clubs, particularly if it can be seen that there are sources that use the abbreviation marks. Fenix down (talk) 16:30, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

The naming of PSV Eindhoven and Nickerie are not that different. Philips Sport Vereniging and Politie Sport Vereniging. One relates to the police force and one to a company but the naming is the same. The name on the clubs official facebook page is PSV Nickerie. NIckerie is not officially part of the name, but neither is Eindhoven in the case of the Dutch club. the club is registered at the Chamber of Commerce as simply PSV N.V. Eindhoven was added because foreign media have added the city name to that of the club. Both clubs are officially named PSV. I added Nickerie since they did on their page. I tried to keep all naming of clubs in accordance to how the clubs themselves write it. (Subzzee (talk) 16:53, 14 March 2016 (UTC))

Well they are as they abbreviate completely different names, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. The mistake you are making is to rigourously try to align to what the club themselves use. That is not what is done on WP per WP:COMMONNAME, hence why PSV Eindhoven are so called: it's not their name, but it is what people generally call them (see this for a further example of the "proper" / common name discussions that can take place). In this instance, ignoring the "." question, sources refer to PSV from Nickerie, simply as PSV, probably because they get very little coverage outside of Suriname). Given that PSV Eindhoven would certainly be deemed the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here, and there is already a dab page at PSV, the Suriname club would need a disambiguator. In this instance, given that there is no other club in Suriname (to my knowledge called PSV), the most suitable dab would be PSV (Suriname). Fenix down (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

When the club themselves name their page PSV Nickerie, why would we go with something different? While on this note, I also added the punctuation to P.V.V. but the actual name of the club from Paramaribo is PVV without the punctuation. Nickerie in the name also serves to distinguish between the police club from Paramaribo and the one from Nieuw Nickerie. I still think PSV Nickerie was the best option. PSV is a political party in Suriname, the Progressieve Suriname Volkspartij. I really don't think that PSV (Suriname) would best serve as the name for the club. They called their own page PSV Nickerie, which I think is best understood as the Police club from Nickerie. There are also other police clubs in Suriname, but only PVV and PSV have reached the upper tiers in Suriname in recent time. (Subzzee (talk) 17:52, 14 March 2016 (UTC))

Well as I noted above, and it is somewhat counterintuitive, we don't necessarily go with the official name, we use the common name to aid readers in finding the right article. Based on your previous comment, your right given that there is also a political party using the same abbreviation PSV (Suriname) probably wouldn't be best.

You say there are other police clubs in Suriname. Do they share the same abbreviation? Would they satisfy WP:FOOTYN? If the answer to both is yes then the dab "Nickerie" is probably required, but the correct article title would be PSV (Nickerie) since the common name used in the sources presented in the article and all over stat sites such as RSSSF is simply PSV (RSSSF qualifies the club with Nickerie only in the sense that it notes where all clubs come from in this instance whether clarification is needed or not). If the answer to either of these questions is no then there is no need to disambiguate between the different football clubs, but there is a need to distinguish between the football club and the political party, so PSV (Surinamese football club) would be best. Fenix down (talk) 08:07, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. All the best. Jack | ^{talk page} 09:46, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem. Not really sure what started the comments on the talk page but the article additions didn't really seem constructive. Hopefully will stop it but am watching the page now. Fenix down (talk) 09:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

It seems to be someone who is touring North America as the IP has now shifted to 198.134.93.254 which geolocates to Seattle. He's made a couple of edits in other articles now. Basically, I'm just reverting them as I see them and, using Twinkle, that takes no more than a couple of seconds. Why do these people waste their time and what do they think they achieve? Anyway, thanks again. Jack | ^{talk page} 20:44, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

How annoying. Hopefully it can be dealt with through reverts but if not let me know, I don't have many cricket articles on my watch list so won't necessarily see them. I'm happy to have a look at any potentially more widespread disruption. Fenix down (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

That's very good of you. Much appreciated. Jack | ^{talk page} 08:25, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

You are deleting categories, navbars, etc. when deleting current squads. eg. AJSS Saintes. --Bamyers99 (talk) 15:04, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for recovering them, I will be more careful in future. Fenix down (talk) 16:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi! This is C. Ronaldo Aveiro. I'd like to thank you for creating this important document file. But I'd like to notify you that the date of the match between Iran and Maldives, which finished 17-0 for Iran, is stated incorrectly in the file. It will be 2 June 1997 in place of 2 June 2000. Please correct it, otherwise it would fetch wrong information to other fellow editors. Thank you. CR7 (talk) 07:16, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks CR7. I will correct and upload and updated version when I get a minute. Fenix down (talk) 12:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Good evening, I would like to ask you, why did you remove the two charity matches to play the Bhutan team vs Buriram United? It's two games are not official, like those against the Tibetan team, the Chinese team during the 1982 tournament anfa and Bangladesh,. I understand do that a club in the Thai league. I think it's no got to be recognized by FIFA, but those against Tibet and club chinese are not either. But an admin intelligent Wikipedia, the note into 2 groups, official match is no unofficial. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EE0E:ABD0:B854:9C74:3C1F:E26D (talk) 18:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi I removed them because none of the references provided supported the fact that the matches had taken place. Fenix down (talk) 19:33, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

You should have go to the official page of youtube, facebook and twitter for 2 teams, so if I show these sources for you, you will accept to put them? The details of the games are also there in the videos. https://www.youtube.com/user/KarunaChidchob https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGNnf3czwPE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1WMyaB-rTU https://www.facebook.com/BuriramUTD/timeline?ref=page_internal https://www.facebook.com/Bhutan-Football-Federation-472342832788574/?fref=nf https://twitter.com/BhutanFootball — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EE0E:ABD0:B854:9C74:3C1F:E26D (talk) 21:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

No. These are just warm up matches prior to their final world cup qualifying match. Fenix down (talk) 07:07, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

I understand but also two charity match, you can not deny it. There is enough source to prove it. But look there are 5 matches with the no-official Bhutan, noted on this Wikipedia page is person to make a fuss, personally I think it would be logical to note these matches, it's going in the direction of Wikipedia and work performed by those who have made the front page. I request a consultation with the other admins is a final vote, which will make everyone agree. I remind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, hoping that others did not forget. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EE0E:ABD0:B854:9C74:3C1F:E26D (talk) 10:38, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

The fact that the matches took place is not in question. It is simply unnecessary to list unofficial warm up matches. On the list of Bhutan matches the unofficial games are listed as including matches against unrecognised nations or representative teams in official competitions. All sorts of nations play warm up matches against local club teams, particularly before official games. That does not mean they need to be listed. Fenix down (talk) 12:14, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

It's strange, I could see the national teams have matches against clubs is to be noted on their wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EE0E:ABD0:B854:9C74:3C1F:E26D (talk) 13:02, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

It's not strange. Other national team articles do not show these. Fenix down (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Is that you do not know very well the Wikipedia pages of national football team, me anyway I've seen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E34:EE0E:ABD0:B854:9C74:3C1F:E26D (talk) 16:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Actually, thinking about, there seems to have been some coverage of these matches outside of the official channels and they do not seem to have been closed-door friendlies, so I have added them back. Fenix down (talk) 11:38, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi Fenix Thanks for the heads up on the dissolving of Ha Noi FC (2011). Would the attached citation from the VPF be enough evidence of the fact that the new club, Sai Gon FC, is the same organisation as the previous club (not a new club), therefore, the name and 'club' of Ha Noi FC is effective dead. There has been no announcement from the club, the V-League or the VPF that the name shall be retained by any other party. There is also clear precedent within VPF that once a club disappears, the name disappears with it. http://www.vnleague.com/vdqg-vleague/thong-bao/6732-VPF-ban-hanh-Thong-bao-chinh-thuc-ve-viec-doi-ten-cua-CLB-Ha-Noi.html Thanks John_arneVN

Hi John, sorry it has taken me a while to respond, it slipped my mind that you had asked a question. It looks like another editor has taken care of things by moving the article and updating it with a source. Is what has been done in line with you understanding? Thanks. Fenix down (talk) 07:32, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Yup - Looks like it has been amended already. All looks good. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John arneVN (talk • contribs) 18:42, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

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Actually the speedy was for that the guy made the same article twice for Óscar Rai Villa and Oscar Villa, was just not caught till now. One could be turned into a redirect though. Wgolf (talk) 15:05, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

This article was recreated mere minutes after you deleted it yesterday. Could you delete it again please. Thanks. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:08, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

In this instance more sources have been added asserting it's popularity. They haven't been done in the most helpful way as they don't seem to use much of the articles noted but I think there could be more indication of notability. I think it would be best to recon test at AfD with specific discussion around the new sources if you think they do not indicate GNG or are being used incorrectly. Fenix down (talk) 08:09, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

I've got a few question about this page you deleted earlier as part of a long and ongoing sockpuppet investigation (See case archive). Based on this, am I correct in assuming the page was created by User:Majesticmanagement? And were there any other edits to the page apart from the creation and the BLPPROD? Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

It was created by that editor and there were no other edits bar the creation and the PROD. I am not sure though that it was created by a sock of 089 baby though as the structure of the article was different to the original (no infobox, no cats, etc). I CSD'd it however, as the two lines of text provided were essentially identical to that present in the AfD'd article, so felt that content-wise they were essentially the same and thee was no way another AfD would provide a different conclusion. Fenix down (talk) 08:38, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Intentional? --Closedmouth (talk) 03:22, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry no, was browsing on my phone. Wasn't even aware I had done that. Have reverted now. Thanks for letting me know. Fenix down (talk) 06:44, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm guessing this was unintentional too? Joseph2302 (talk) 07:09, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes. I'm not sure how this is happening. Fenix down (talk) 07:33, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

No worries, thanks. --Closedmouth (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you using rollback on your phone? I've made similar accidental reverts, and now added the "Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices" preference on Gadgets section of Preferences. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:13, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

I noticed you just blocked 189.71.96.141. I think 189.71.58.82 may be the same person. The same additions of strange kits to football club articles. Calistemon (talk) 07:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I think you are definitely right. This guy's been doing the same pointless vandalism for years. It's odd because the vandalism is so blatant and he clearly spends up to a couple of hours at a time doing it only for it all to be reverted in a few seconds. If you see nay other additions like this, particularly from a 189 ip address I would just revert on sight and add the ipsock|Grandare Grande template to the talk page. If you want to let me know I will block the IP for a brief time to prevent any further vandalism at least for the day! Thanks for letting me know. Fenix down (talk) 07:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

No worries, will do. I have come across similar edits in the past, usually on little-known German fifth division clubs, adding made-up kits, and reverted them. Some of them are so outrageous they are almost entertaining! Now that I know its an ipsock I will be more vigilant. Calistemon (talk) 07:30, 5 May 2016 (UTC)