User talk:George Ho

Health bulletin One of my loved ones is experiencing health issues yet recovering, hopefully . This might affect my ability to frequently edit this project, but I can still continue to contribute. I'll reply to you whenever I can. Thanks.

I am diagnosed with "moderate autism", but I don't know whether it matters to communities. I'll address whatever issues involving me you can bring up, i.e. I'll take accurate criticisms to heart. (More at my user page...)

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An arbitration case regarding The Rambling man has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)'s resignation as an administrator is to be considered under controversial circumstances, and so his administrator status may only be regained via a successful request for adminship.
2. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) is prohibited from insulting and/or belittling other editors. If The Rambling Man finds himself tempted to engage in prohibited conduct, he is to disengage and either let the matter drop or refer it to another editor to resolve. If however, in the opinion of an uninvolved administrator, The Rambling Man does engage in prohibited conduct, he may be blocked for a duration consistent with the blocking policy. The first four blocks under this provision shall be arbitration enforcement actions and may only be reviewed or appealed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Should a fifth block prove necessary, the blocking administrator must notify the Arbitration Committee of the block via a Request for Clarification and Amendment so that the remedy may be reviewed. The enforcing administrator may also at their discretion fully protect The Rambling Man's talk page for the duration of the block.

   Nothing in this remedy prevents enforcement of policy by uninvolved administrators in the usual way.

3. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) and George Ho (talk · contribs) are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Wikipedia (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
4. George Ho (talk · contribs) is indefinitely restricted from participating in selecting main page content. For clarity, this means he may not participate in:

   1. Any process in which the content of the main page is selected, including Did you know?, In the news, On this day, Today's featured article, Today's featured list, and Today's featured picture.
   2. Any process in which possible problems with the content of the main page are reported, including WP:ERRORS and Talk:Main Page.
   3. Any discussion about the above processes, regardless of venue.

   He may edit articles linked from or eligible to be linked from the main page (e.g., the current featured article) and may participate in content review processes not directly connected to main page content selection (e.g., reviewing Featured article candidates). He may request reconsideration of this restriction twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.

5. The community is encouraged to review the selection process for the Did you know and In the news sections of the main page. The community is also reminded that they may issue topic bans without the involvement of the Arbitration Committee if consensus shows a user has repeatedly submitted poor content, performed poor reviews, or otherwise disrupted these processes.

For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 05:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

Hello,

I’m writing to remind you that as a result of the arbitration case that both you and The Rambling Man are prohibited from interacting with each other, barring the usual exceptions. Recently, you posted questions to the election pages of multiple candidates where you indirectly made reference to The Rambling Man. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15) Please note that such comments are not permitted under the interaction ban and further instances will result in a block. Best regards, Mike V • Talk 22:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I won't do that anymore for now, Mike. Shall I report this the next time it happens? Or can someone else do it? George Ho (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you are referring to a violation of the interaction ban, you can mention it another admin once. Otherwise, it would be best to avoid all discussion related to The Rambling Man. Mike V • Talk 23:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shall I report his attempts to excuse himself to you, Mike? I felt unease when he made indirect references by saying "canvassing". I was prompted to ask questions when mentioned "canvassed". Is this his actions at the questions subpages excusable? George Ho (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

At this point, a warning has been made and I've encouraged him to leave things alone. I think that is sufficient for now. Mike V • Talk 00:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Just wanted to drop a note that, as a result of extensive community discussion and numerous issues, the warning issued above has been overturned. [1] Regards, The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 22:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't want an edit war. Wikipedia:Ownership of content. We can do more Requests for comment or you can compromise. You just reverted 4 sources and a photo from the article. I have read the talk page. Ikipedia2 (talk) 10:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize that was my mistake @George Ho I didn't see the edit I created was moved below into another section. I removed the photo. As recompense (an apology), if you don't want any photo in the article at all, at the top of this article, you can either put any photo you wish or delete the infobox altogether. I was wrong. I apologize. Ikipedia2 (talk) 18:45, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		The Barnstar of Diplomacy is awarded to users who have helped to resolve, peacefully, conflicts on Wikipedia. This barnstar is awarded to George Ho for always taking the high road and being a diplomat. Ikipedia2 (talk) 18:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Per MOS:RETAIN, MOS:VAR, and WP:ALBUMSTYLE, please undo the addition of {{track listing}} in this edit. This article uses a plain list style and that should be retained. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know why or what you mean. By adding more info, if I use the plain list format, the execution would've looked sloppy, and the source would've looked less readable. I left disc two listing as-is yesterday because I felt exhausted, but I plan to reformat the disc two listing with the same template. George Ho (talk) 15:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What I mean is that this article doesn't use {{track listing}}. There are several valid styles (plain list, a table, the template) and the consensus is that there is a strong preference for leaving the original style of an article. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:41, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where's the consensus for the listing style of the article about Digging Deep: Subterranea? George Ho (talk) 18:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It was the original style. That's what MOS:RETAIN and MOS:VAR are about. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:RETAIN refers to English-language varieties or dialects, like American English and British English. As I see, MOS:VAR says to use the first style used in an early non-stub revision if no consensus for either style has been made, i.e. plain listing.

But look at the styling right now. After adding writing credits and tracks' origins, is the listing still readable more than "track listing" template? George Ho (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait... Perhaps MOS:LIST would make more sense than MOS:VAR? (MOS:ALBUM is an essay, so enforcing it wouldn't make sense, IMO.) George Ho (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unsure about MOS:MUSIC, which doesn't say much about track listings other than discouraging them in song articles. George Ho (talk) 19:29, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the track listing template is ugly and it is not as useful to me. As far as the place to include styling information, note that this is discussed at WP:ALBUMSTYLE, not WP:ALBUM. As far as album style advice being incorporated into MOS:MUSIC, it has been discussed at WT:ALBUM and there is consensus for it, but no one has put forth the effort to get it to that state yet. :/ ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where is this discussion you're referring to? George Ho (talk) 21:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relevant threads:

• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_70#Why_isn't_the_albums_style_guide_part_of_the_MoS?
• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_71#Confirming_a_passage_in_WP:ALBUMSTYLE
• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_71#Track_listing_styles

Happy to help if I can provide more context. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Three of the discussions aren't RfC, to be frank. They aren't straw polls. Also, I can't determine whether there's a consensus. I see just editors disagreeing, I think. Maybe I was skimming too fast and couldn't bother to read a lot and reread? George Ho (talk) 21:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, maybe some of that's extraneous. And to be clear, I don't know of an RfC on the topic.

• 2020 thread about how we need to have incorporation into the MoS: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Archive_60#WP:ALBUM_needs_an_official_MOS
• A very brief discussion about including the existing album style advice into the MoS properly: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Formalising_Manual_of_Style_for_albums

That's all I can find immediately where someone from WP:ALBUM is saying "hey, WP:ALBUMSTYLE should be part of the MoS formally". I think that actually answers your question and isn't superfluous or otherwise off topic. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... Unsure what to make about two additional discussions you provided. The latter one ended without consensus for one proposal. The former looks lackluster, while the essay hasn't yet been promoted to a guideline. This is a case-by-case situation, yet you are apparently seeking a standard. Why not create a new discussion on this at Talk:Digging Deep: Subterranea and invite a few projects for their inputs? George Ho (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if anything, it's the other way around: since you want to change the existing style, you need to get consensus by convincing others that there is something extraordinary, per WP:BRD or WP:RETAIN. Otherwise, we could have 200,000 of these back-and-forths where you (or someone else) are adding {{track listing}} and I (or someone else) am removing it back and forth. That's why MOS:RETAIN exists: where we have different styles, keep the existing one so that we don't expend these resources on this kind of stuff. I also don't really see the need to make a single standard for all articles: were I to argue for one, it would 100% be "delete {{track listing}} and use plain lists or maybe tables" but that would never pass, so it's just a waste of time. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, why use MOS:RETAIN, which refers to only English varieties, not any list format? George Ho (talk) 23:45, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*sigh MOS:VAR. It applies to all kinds of styles, George.

―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:53, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi just to ask you as you are an expert of big brother and franchises of the show User:George Ho is it necessary to add day entered in late entrants rows for nominations table like over here Bigg Boss (Malayalam season 5)#Nomination table because big brother tables don’t have this on. 2A02:6B68:10:6100:54CE:D971:7BF1:43E1 (talk) 18:19, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As one of the most reputable universities in China, Fudan University deserves a comprehensive wikipedia page for the global audience. However, the user has cut down more than half of the carefully curated and edited contribution over the years by many other users for no reason.

I would like to specifically ask what is the reason behind deletion of the previous history section, especially regarding the funding and Chinese meaning behind the university name as cited here: "Fudan University, then romanized as Fuh Tan, was founded as Fudan Public School in 1905, by Ma Xiangbo, SJ, who had resigned from Aurora University. The two Chinese characters Fu (復, means "again") and Dan (旦, means "morning", "light" ), meaning both "(heavenly light shines) day after day" and "Aurora Revived"." This entire paragraph was deleted, and the previous user cited reasons are :"WP:NOTADVERT, WP:RS, WP:NOT, WP:BOOSTER", please specify which one this paragraph violated and how so?

Also, the following sections describing the history from 1911-present was completely deleted. What is the reason for this? To compare, Zhejiang University has a very similar section, which the user did not delete, what is the reason behind? Frostst (talk) 21:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To compare, Zhejiang University has a very similar section, which the user did not delete. Please be careful of using "other stuff exists" argument. Furthermore, are you associated with the Fuhan University? If so, please read WP:COI. George Ho (talk) 22:01, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, but can you specify the reason behind deleting history and university name origin? What is the standard here? Help me understand please!Frostst (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not only the material you reinserted lacks references, but also it seems to be promoting and/or favoring the University, i.e. pro-University, which is against WP:NPOV policy. As I see so far, your article edits are of just one article. What are other articles you have considered? George Ho (talk) 02:27, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello. In February 2024, I tried to replace the single covers for the songs "Alone Again (Naturally)" and "Helter Skelter" (song) (File:Alone Again single.jpg and File:The Beatles "Helter Skelter" US picture sleeve.jpg) with free single labels from Commons (c:File:Alone Again (Naturally) by Gilbert O'Sullivan side-A 1972 US release.jpg and c:File:Helter Skelter by The Beatles B-side label US vinyl (copy 2).png) as they likely failed WP:NFCC#1. Both were promptly reverted by a user who said that the cover arts are not "fully replaceable" with the vinyl labels, and both cover arts survived FFDs calling for their replacement/deletion (WP:Files for discussion/2024 February 16#File:Alone Again single.jpg and #File:The Beatles "Helter Skelter" US picture sleeve.jpg). What are your thoughts about this? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 02:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reading FFD discussions, I figured that pro-cover arts people will favor keeping them. I'd refrain from re-nominating them for now until a lot of time passes. Of course, there are other songs to consider, but if I were you, I'd focus more on pre-1980s single releases if you wanna continue with the same mission. Meanwhile, I added a caption for Alone Again (Naturally). George Ho (talk) 03:18, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

How long would "a lot of time" be? Three months? Six months? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:28, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be safer, try years... or decades.... unless there are special circumstances? George Ho (talk) 04:09, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and furthermore, I'd be careful of (articles about) rock songs or songs by Madonna if I were you. George Ho (talk) 03:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which songs should be prioritized then? JohnCWiesenthal (talk) 03:29, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That... I can't say much except avoid classic rock songs and Madonna songs. And maybe avoid songs or genres that certain users have been specializing in. George Ho (talk) 04:14, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Have you considered stopping your campaign against cover art altogether? This is not something that has community support (as has been evidenced at FFD) and if you want a general policy against it you should gain consensus for that, instead of citing NFCC (which again, the community does not interpret in the same way as you do).

Your plan of working only on articles that have a low amount of eyes on them, where editors are unlikely to care, indicates that you know you're editing against consensus. Please stop. Elli (talk | contribs) 00:36, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elli: I'd love to stop if not for fears of misinforming and misleading general public into believing that a cover art is the standard artwork of a single release and if not for other editors omitting captions as "irrelevant" or "non-controversial". Readers looking at a vinyl label would identify one part of a release, some of them more curious and willing to research further. Other readers ofa sing article would jump into conclusions and then... stop researching further... or just listen to the song over and over without having to research. Avoiding misinformation is a high priority, in my opinion. The consensus, I think, would consist of those wanting to attract mass appeal without consider accuracy and probably young'uns who are oblivious about much of history. George Ho (talk) 02:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate that you want to avoid misinformation, but why can't you just use a caption for the cover art? It'd be clear to our readers that the cover art wasn't used everywhere if a caption is added. Ignoring this, though, it still isn't acceptable to act unilaterally when you acknowledge that the overall community disagrees with you on this topic. Elli (talk | contribs) 02:32, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Sometimes, an editor can remove one older caption and then a newer one. (2) Even a caption might not ease my concerns about which portion or cover art is appropriate as lead image. (3) Lately, there has been a trend of eliminating captions from articles about most recent songs, especially when a cover art is universal. (4) Most album articles may not necessarily need a caption; unsure about song articles. (5) No point on adding a caption for an existing image if I'd replace an existing image with another one.

I used to prefer releases matching nationality of a singer, but now I realize free alternative would be more suitable especially to compensate insufficient depth about one song. George Ho (talk) 03:11, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

None of these are really issues though? Yes, if an image doesn't need a caption, then it doesn't need one. It shouldn't be too hard to pick a suitable lead image in most cases, and it's clear that editors prefer actual cover art to pictures of the records. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, if an image doesn't need a caption, then it doesn't need one. For newer singles, sure. But various artworks have been used for specific releases, most of them overseas.

Many American singles lacked picture sleeves back in those pre-CD vinyl days, and old surviving singles occasionally or often have been traded from one generic sleeve to another. Even some picture sleeves were discarded for whatever reason, probably wear and tear, or the same reason listeners discarded singles, or... I dunno.

To recognize a vinyl single, if a picture sleeve is absent, a surviving vinyl label should suffice, but nowadays that's as if you are a vinyl collector or into vinyl again amid ongoing vinyl revival era. A single lacking labels and picture sleeves would be harder to identify, honestly. I might say the same about CD and cassette singles, but would those be different stories?

it's clear that editors prefer actual cover art to pictures of the records. Not surprised. However, that also leads some editors into using (misleading) cover arts of parent albums using same names of songs, thinking that such cover arts would fool readers, especially without using captions. Millennials and newer generation, as I fear, probably wouldn't bother researching older songs but rather newer ones heard on radio or streaming, especially when researching has never been one of their top priorities. Even they wouldn't care much about how music industry worked back in old pre-digital days from past consumers' perspectives.

I still think vinyl labels should sufficiently help readers recognize specific American releases lacking official picture sleeves, but that's when no free alternatives exist at this point and when songs or singers come from the USA. Same if from other regions, like the UK or Australia. —George Ho (talk) 11:25, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi George, you appear not to have done anything with the recently restored File:Sabrina Spellman casting magic milk.png. It will be deleted if you don't use it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:06, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Graeme Bartlett: I tried, but another user reverted the change and instead changes revisions of the one that the user intends to use but is discussed at FFD. George Ho (talk) 01:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! File:Take me in your arms kim weston Canadian single side-A.png seems to be a duplicate of File:I hear a symphony the supremes Canadian single side-A.png. Was that your intention? Jonteemil (talk) 16:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, not at all. As I now realized, I uploaded the wrong image. I was able to use an image from the source that I cited at the time of upload. George Ho (talk) 17:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I figured that might've been the case. Jonteemil (talk) 17:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I started a discussion at WT:OLY whether this is a good idea. Pelmeen10 (talk) 23:09, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, George,

Please consider posting your own notifications with PROD'd articles and files rather than relying on a bot to do this for you. I've found that FastilyBot doesn't always post notifications when it should and it is easier for the editor tagging the page to do it themself. Just use Twinkle to tag the page and, in your Twinkle Preferences, make sure the "Notify page creator" box is checked off. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:32, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: With all due respect, must I notify those inactive for one year, three months, or what? Also, Twinkle doesn't provide notification about multiple pages (articles, files, or any other) by the same author or provider. I would have to manually notify the same person about multiple things instead. George Ho (talk) 22:05, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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As I understand it, use of templates, such as {{pb}} for paragraph breaks, is better for many purposes - such as accessibility - than html tags.

This is just a hint, not a complaint (your edit conflicted with mine on the blackout RfC, but I've left yours in place, since editing other people's comments is meant to be very minimal).

This comment doesn't really need to be split into three paragraphs via para breaks; I'm just doing them here as an illustration. :) Boud (talk) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello George Ho, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025. Happy editing, Abishe (talk) 22:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply] Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to other user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 22:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Would you kindly explain why you think this article needs a GAR? There was no talk page notice, and you edit summary does not explain why you requested such. mftp dan ^oops 22:12, 8 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't believe the article needs reassessment, then please feel free to remove the tag. The article contains info about the singer and the relative who wrote about her and is subject to WP:BLP. I was also hoping that the book itself and the book article aren't too damaging, especially if the info is too contentious to include. George Ho (talk) 00:09, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure that really answers my question. My best guess is that you are disputing its neutrality, but going over that is the whole point of the GA review. If you have specific concerns, that could be revisited, but if you have no particular qualms to present, then I'll be removing the tag shortly. mftp dan ^oops 03:30, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Courtesy heads up since your conduct has been mentioned and the editor does not appear to have notified or pinged you. Star Mississippi 19:36, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi George, hope all is well. I’m not sure if this was a mistake, but a couple of your edits at Fidel LaBarba seem to have erased most of his professional boxing record from the article. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 01:35, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GOAT Bones231012: Don't know what you mean, honestly. From what I see, I just made table headers stickier without removing essential records. Well, I made the table window kinda smaller... but scrollable. Are you able to scroll down the table? George Ho (talk) 05:41, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I am able to scroll down his record, I just didn’t realize it at first, sorry. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 10:22, 7 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by KylieTastic was:

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KylieTastic (talk) 21:17, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi George. I don't know if you remember but 5 years ago I spoke to you on the Frasier talk page about "correcting" the Frasier colors. We went back and forth a little, with me proposing 11 colors and you suggesting changes. I forgot about this for a long time and recently went back and noticed the colors still haven't been "fixed". I notice someone else was calling for this change to be made, too. I would really like to unarchive that conversation (from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Frasier/Archive_2#Season_color) and continue where we left off. Before I do so, just checking that you still be interested in participating? You could unarchive it if you like as I'm not experienced with how to do it. When we left off, I was going to make a final selection of 11 colors then you could convert to the appropriate web-safe palette and use in the Frasier pages. Grand Dizzy (talk) 00:30, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Don't try to unarchive the discussion (From WP:TPG#Archiving: Do not unarchive a thread that was effectively closed; instead, start a new discussion and link to the archived prior discussion). Rather start a new one called "Colors redux" or something like that. George Ho (talk) 02:48, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed. Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Bluethricecreamman was:

Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at AI winter instead.

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Bluethricecreamman (talk) 20:40, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The page Keith Chan Siu-Kei is edited by myself. George whoever you are, please don't reverse back to old version, and let me manage my own page. Thanks. Shaoqi64 (talk) 08:21, 12 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello George Ho. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of File:Bb1usacast.jpg, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Image is not from a press or photo agency. Thank you. Whpq (talk) 02:02, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sure it's not a screenshot. Also, I rewatched and skimmed through Episode 1 of Big Brother 1 (US). I don't see the exact photo anywhere in the episode. The then-live camera showed a different angle of the same setting where the photo took place.

As for the photo itself, it's also seen in Getty Images. Sure, CBS took this photo, but it also donated it to Getty Images. Why doesn't "speedy delete" apply? George Ho (talk) 07:40, 27 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a mistake on my part. I have deleted the file F7. -- Whpq (talk) 03:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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