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Thanks for the compliments. I have it on my "to do" list to research on Lexis the memorial. I also know Brian Tolle (not well, but well enough). Hopefully once I get to snap a photograph and have him point me to sourced materials that he consider illuminating, I'll do some work. I have plans to create the Tolle page. Keep up the good work (looking at your other contributions)! --DavidShankBone 00:50, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the {{coor title dm}} geodata tags add the latitude and longitude to the article header at the top of the article, to the right of the title. If you click on "coordinates", you get information about geographic coordinates in general: if you click on the latitude/longitude, you will go to a page from which you can select a variety of geodata-related resources about that locality, including a range of external mapping services. -- The Anome 17:51, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for catching my mistake on my to-do list. I thought it was strange that such a notable person did not have an article ; ). Perhaps a more thorough search is in order next time. Well anyways, your sharp eyes are much appreciated. Deyyaz ^{[ Talk | Contribs ]} 05:03, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi mate , you have put a POV tag on this article. I wish to know wherre you feel the tone isn't apporopriate. I am about to add more info to the article. I don't believe it warrants this tag. Hope to hear from you soon. ManikSaldi 04:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure the Eugene Klein previously linked to is not the same person as you have now red linked to? If so what source do you have? I suggest you reply on the topic's talk page. Cheers ww2censor 22:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you need to understand the role and responsibilities of a Wikipedia contributor. Handicapper 23:06, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I do understand, but your answer is totally uninformative in response to the question I asked. As you well know accuracy and verifiability are cornerstones of Wikipedia, so I wondered if you had some information to give regarding this entry that gave purpose to your edit. Maybe you would share that, otherwise I don't know why you would make such an edit without some information that supports the edit. ww2censor 03:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no intention of answering your unwarranted question and trust you wont bother other contributors with similar such idle requests. My article on Eugene Klein is extensive, accurate and supported by detailed verifiable references. I followed good editing procedures by de-linking identical names so that Wikipedia does not provide potential misinformation. If you, or any other contributor, has information that this Eugene (Gene) Klein is the stamp collector referred to in Inverted Jenny or the soccer coach referred to in Pittsburgh Riverhounds, by all means insert that information in my Klein article with, of course, your verifiable source(s). Should you disagree with my stance, you most certainly should submit the matter to Wikipedia:Requests for comment. Thank you. Handicapper 12:22, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW – For someone claiming to be a "Postal Historian" and a "webmaster for several philatelic societies", I find it rather odd that you have zero knowledge of someone with an international reputation amongst stamp collectors and one of the most important figures in the American philatelic community.

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You know, I was thinking about officially "throwing my hat in" earlier today. I edit railroad articles more than anything else, but with my topical collection (three guesses on the topic B-) ) now growing well beyond where I left it 15 years ago, I may pop in more often with assistance. After all, railway post office is currently a WP:GA, and I scanned a couple covers in my collection for Pioneer Zephyr (and I especially like that one of those two covers has "CBQ" in perfins, CBQ is the railroad company's abbreviation) which very quickly zoomed from a stub to FA status. Slambo (Speak) 17:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the good work in putting the Scinde Dawk article back together again!! It is indeed a much better article as you have it reorganised.

We have many mutual interests. I am an active philatelist, of course, even though the years are creeping up on me. My APS number was 47222 until I let it lapse, so you see I have more experience and knowledge than patience. I have experience editing a "learned" academic journal, so I know the experts also make mistakes.

As one of the Wikipedia articles observes, we don't have to own a specific stamp to study it and understand it. Philately is not stamp collecting. This red Scinde Dawk, a stamp which I do not own, would be the ideal illustration. I have some illustrations which have been scanned from old auction catalogs as well as other scans which have appeared on the web, but nothing which belongs to me. My notion of copyright is very fuzzy! So, I thought it better to refer to the First Issues page, which has some good illustrations, until I learn Wikipedia's copyright standards.

Forgeries of the Scinde Dawks are abundant, and dealers continue to offer them because there's a great fund of ignorance among collectors. Without good illustrations we are helpless.

Unfortunately, my impatience with insipid, misleading or inaccurate statements is exceeded only by my impatience with "rules of the game," style manuals and the like, so I got to the substantive revisions first. While a standard format is absolutely necessary, I suspect one learns by doing. So, I jumped in before I knew the guidelines. Thanks for bailing me out!

Sincerely,

Floyd Conaway added by User:Fconaway 21:27, September 26, 2006

Thanks for the hint, but I really spent (nearly) seven hours gathering all the required data. Formatting the table was negligible work. Have a nice weekend! Agentbla 10:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Good evening (Paris time). I thank you for the category update on two articles on fr.wiki today. About the Canadian politician George Carlyle Marler, I need some informations in order to write a little philatelic stub inside the French article, please. When were the Admiral stamps of Canada issued ? It will greatly help me looking for them in my German catalog? Have a nice evening. Sebjarod 18:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the disturbance, my brain began to work again some minutes ago and I found a stub about the Admiral Issue on the RPSC site. Sebjarod 19:16, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem. The first place I look is out on the internet and, as you found, the first result was a good one. I was rooting around in the French and German Wikis and found names there that were not in the English one so added the category as appropriate. Cheers ww2censor 05:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the Creative Suggestion .I will try my best. Once again thanks. Nooranadu mohan 04:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello sir , I have already created List of Kerala Ministers. I think it is very informative. Seeking your help in further editing. Thanks a lot. Have a nice day. Nooranadu mohan 05:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

To get images from other WPs to commons, it's all copy and re-upload I'm afraid. I think some people use tools to simplify the process, don't know much about them. I'm hoping that after single signon (same login used for all Wikimedia projects), that en-masses moves will become possible (physically the pics are all on the same hard disks now, purely bureaucratic obstacles to simply moving from one directory to another). Stan 17:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

yes, merge. I am originator of duplicate, failed to find the other in prior search somehow. Apology.

Wikipedia:WikiProject/List_of_proposed_projects#WikiProject_Motorcycles

Thanks for the OK-Supreme edits too. Seasalt 00:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Rudge-Whitworth (motorcycles) Is this better wiki?Seasalt 13:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Much better indeed. You are getting the hang of it. A few points. I wikified it much more than you had including links to future Isle of Man TT result pages that I am slowly working on. I am up to 1923 so far. I prefer to write 250cc rather than 250 cc but I am not sure there is a policy on that. I also created a few different spelling redirect pages. You can see them if you click on the "What links here" link. Cheers & thanks indeed. If you feel up to it, there are many more motorcycle articles to be done. ww2censor 17:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Bobblewicks unit formatting device makes all "cc" appear a space after the number, so its quite pointless writing them any other way. He'll just run his unit formatter over it if you have. Seasalt 22:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Who or what is Bobblewick? If you say that the cc should have a space then so be it. Where did you see that and can you give me a link? Cheers again ww2censor 23:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Bobblewick is a units enthusiast.

• copy User:Bobblewik/monobook.js to the bottom of User:Ww2censor/monobook.js
• clear your cache (Firefox: press Ctrl-Shift-R. IE: press Ctrl-F5)

Then when you are editing an article, you will see tabs at the top for 'units' and 'dates'. If you press one of these tabs, it will offer you the edits in 'Show changes' mode. You can then accept or reject the changes.Seasalt 23:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

You were quick with Dot, adding it to the disambiguation page. Do you have an alert tool for new pages?Seasalt 13:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I just happened to be on RC Patrol (Recent changes link near top left but I only look at main article pages) and noticed the new Dot page. I don't spend all day on that but an occasional session where I watch out for nonsense, vandalism, copy-violation, major inaccuracies in topic I an interested in and then I might just see a new page that interests me or I may add appropriate formatting tags. So that it, I just happened to see it and would have missed it otherwise. Cheers ww2censor 14:18, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Have half done Cotton (motorcycle).Seasalt 14:25, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Cotton is done...Seasalt 10:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

"Rare" certainly is an adjective often overused. My basis for using that term is Heverbeck's article, p. 82 (as cited) which states: "The red Scinde Dawk is one of the classic rarities of philately. I [Haverbeck] do not believe that more than 100 copies exist overall and of these I do not believe there are ten perfect examples (this means without cracks)." Perhaps we need a footnote.

In addition, auctions and private discussions among knowledgeable collectors can provide a basis for careful estimates. Here is an example of a recent e-mail as to the rarity of the Scinde stamps:

"Re number of red Scinde Dawks, I have seen about 40-50 come in the market in the past 20 years or so. I would say about half of those have been VF. Re numbers printed/embossed, I have not seen any definitive account of the number of stamps. All we know for a fact seem[s] to be that the Post Master of Sind confirms receipt of 10,000 stamps of Scinde Dawk from England (Blue?) in a letter dated Sept 25, 1852. According to various accounts the blue ones were printed in England, and the red and whites were made indigenously in India. I would say that the blues are about four or five times scarcer than the whites, and the reds which are again about three or four times scarer than the reds, giving roughly the ratio of 1:3.5:4.5, or approximately, one red for every 16 whites. The Scinde Dawks were probably in use for 4 years from July 1852 to about mid 1956, when remaining supplies were destroyed. There were four post offices in the Sind district, and assuming about 100 letters a day for 200 days a year, it seems reasonable that perhaps a total of 80,000 stamps of the Scinde Dawks might have passed through the post. Given a survival rate of 10%, I would say that about 8,000 Scinde Dawk stamps might be out there among the collectors, with perhaps about 1,500 being in good condition, which would give 75 good Reds, about 300 good Blues and 1125 good Whites in the market. My computations are, of course, speculative, but plausible, and seem to be consistent with market availability of these stamps from my experience. [Private communication, March 20, 2006].

Unlike some of the rare United States stamps, we do not have a "census" of these rarities. Informed opinion is about the best we have. The 10% "survival rate" in the previous estimate may be excessive. The official instructions called for obliteration: "The Kardar will rub a little ink on the rough face of the brass, then place it firmly on the face of the [embossed] stamp to be scored and give the handle a slight turn, which will so deface the [embossed] stamp as to render it impossible to use the stamp again." The extremely harsh climate of Karachi and the region along the Indus river, where they languished, further reduced the "survival rate".

The recent Stanley Gibbons values for a red Scinde Dawk [S3] are: unused £65,000, used £8,000. Prices realized, of course, are subject to market vagaries. Fconaway 02:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The thing you need to remember is that as an encyclopaedia what is written should be verifiable, so comments based on speculation, or original research, do not belong no matter how accurate we believe they are. Check this out: verifiability. If you have better comments that are published by experts, like Stanley Gibbons, then I would use such information but otherwise I think you need to be precisely imprecise and state that the facts are unknown. The use of words like rare and scarce are rather difficult to use here I would suggest, few known, limited quantities or similar, unless the philately project can agree on a criteria. Thanks for the input. ww2censor 05:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

"Rare" certainly is an adjective often overused. My basis for using that term is Haverbeck's article, p. 82 (as cited) which states: "The red Scinde Dawk is one of the classic rarities of philately. I [Haverbeck] do not believe that more than 100 copies exist overall and of these I do not believe there are ten perfect examples (this means without cracks)." Perhaps we need a footnote. Fconaway 22:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Btw, several of the names of people appearing in the list of philatelists may not belong there. Fconaway 02:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Then you might remove them but only after checking that you really are correct and maybe commenting on the talk page why and what you have done. Many are correct and need articles but I have too much in hand to do any for now. ww2censor 05:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

List of philatelists, again

This page includes the names of several people who are not known as philatelists or stamp collectors. Here are four, who have brief biographies which do not seem to mention stamps:

• Anatoly Karpov
• Pierre Langlois
• James Lindsay, 26th Earl of Crawford
• William Stone

The page also lists many people well known for their philatelic achievements. Nevertheless, we do not have an article to delineate their work. Among them:

• Stanley B. Ashbrook
• Robson Lowe

I'll do some investigation, and then delete Karpov, Langlois, Lindsay and Stone if that is correct. Fconaway 22:27, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Karpov is stated to be a stamp collector here [1].
James Lindsey is in the APS Hal of Fame at: [2] as is William Stone at [3].
Ashbrooke and Lowe are there to: Here is the main APS resource.
I have already started to gather some Robson Lowe material and will write that if you don't mind. BTW, a colon in front of text indents it while a tab or space makes those strange boxes but never wraps the text. Cheers for now. ww2censor 01:51, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for catching my errors, yet again, and for restoring Crawford and Stone. Once I saw "Crawford Medal" that rang bells, of course, and I remembered visiting the British Museum collection; but I missed the listings for Crawford and Stone on the APS site. I must have been on the worng page, because I did look there. Crawford certainly ranks high on a list of distinguished philatelists.

WIKIPEDIA doesn't mention philatelic interests in Crawford's biographical note. Nor do they mention stamp collecting in Karpov's listing.

The link to William Stone seems to be in error -- we mean William Carlos Stone, following the APS listing, so we don't have a bio as yet.

I am happy to hear that you are working up an article on Robson Lowe! That's important.Fconaway 05:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Dear Colleague,

Gary Ryan, a lawyer, is a member of the "Roll".
He published a very important, retailed and luxuous opus about Hungarian postal cancels of the classical period.
He earned a lot of Large gold medals for Great Britain, in World Exhibitions of the FIP, Classical and Postal history).
He was also one of the main initiators of the FIP Revenues class (and of FIP Revenue Commission), with the german specialist Martin Erler, and both of them redacted the rules of FIP for Competitives exhibitions in Fiscal Philately.
He realized in that branch of philately too one, of the most important collection of British Empire fiscals.

Friendly Yours.

Philomax 2 16:51, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Philomax 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philomax 2 (talk • contribs) No! It had been badly signed, but signed

Pierre Langlois was a very important French Philatelist, specialist of stamps and postal history of British Empire.
He has been a member of the French "Académie de Philatélie", and of the "Roll", and Chairman of "Société(now Club)Philatélique Franco-Britanique", and Chairman of French Federations of Philatelic societies.
He published articles about Mauritius and Channel Islands.

Friendly Yours.

Philomax 2 16:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)Philomax 2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philomax 2 (talk • contribs) No! It has been badly signed, but signed

Well technically you did put your name on the edit, but you did not sign it the way you are supposed to. The reason is so that people can reply or find your talk page easily, anyway please just sign all talk edit per Wikipedia policy in future.

I see that you are an occasional editor with just a relatively short experience but YOU can start a new page yourself if you know about the subject as you seem to do about Pierre Langlois. I was unable to find anything about him online, so start a page yourself and don't just rely on others to do it. Otherwise you can just add his name back but make sure to quote some source, maybe on the talk page and in the edit summary, so that people who look at the entry don't remove it because they too cannot find any reference.

Regarding Gary Ryan, I replied to you more than a month ago suggestion you start a page from him and now you make a comment here giving information that you could have used yourself. Just make sure to only use verifiable information and make sure to quote your sources. Gary Ryan is still a redlink on the List of philatelists page so there is no problem. be courageous and start the page for either of these people. Thanks for the comments. ww2censor 18:14, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to say that i would like to start somewhere here being an old guru to the industry and I do respect your comments but with all do respect the caveman that invented the wheel had to start somewhere. Can you please maintain the presence for both the products until I muddle through all my white papers and patents and develop a technological strategy for these two products for wikipedia.

I have no problem with working together on this without immediate censorship I was just learning how everything works which took all of 22.3 minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Camtrek (talk • contribs)

Read my comments on the Camtrek talk page. Actually you have just shot yourself in the foot when you say you need to work your way through your white papers and patents. This is original research and that is against Wikipedia policy. You need to understand what Wikipedia is and is not, it is an encyclopaedia not an advertising medium, so read no original research and especially what Wikipedia is not. An administrator will decide if your copyright violation, advertising and repost of already deleted page is acceptable or not. ww2censor 04:57, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, "totally bizzare" might not have been the best choice of words. Sorry for that. What I meant was that providing this long list of countries and colonies, without any further details or specific references, is simply not useful at all, IMO. -- uriber 15:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Doing an article on "New Imperial"

Quote: "New Imperial’s win in the 250 cc class of the 1921 TT (rider Doug Prentice) was certain to bring in big sales orders in pre-war days. This was the first of six TT wins by New Imperial; the wins were all in the Lightweight class, except for one Junior victory."

Looking this up I only see a 10th place in the Junior for 1921. [4]

Is the above quote false, or is there more to the TT results? Seasalt 14:23, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I presume you got the information here, so you may need to contact them to see where they got that info. The full New Imperial results do not show a win in 1921 but a 10th place, beside which the Lightweight race did not start until the 1922 season. I assume it is an error but you need to verify that. BTW, the New Imperial is already red-linked to some pages so I would suggest using that title. ww2censor 20:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

They specified 250 cc, and its on [5]

Before seeing this New Imperial Motors Ltd, but I've got a spam-advertising speedy deletion notice from Zhanghai If its gone there's a copy at User:Seasalt/Rudge. How is it spam or advertising? Looking at this guys contribs page, he is a new user serially putting up speedy deletion notices. I am not allowed to remove a deletion notice from an own article. Can you check this out?

I didn't understand where Cotton deviated either, even after reading the recommended works.Seasalt 13:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a pity you did not name the article New Imperial as there were already several links to that name, but I have added the project banner and written an unwarranted comment for the speedy, so we will assume that will do it. Wait and see. I also made a new redirect from a new page for New Imperial to New Imperial Motors Ltd. BTW on a small point, you need to stop using the link names copied from the URL that includes underscores (_), but instead use the page titles with spaces in the name if there are any, otherwise it needs to be re-edited by someone else later, like New Imperial Motors Ltd not New_Imperial_Motors_Ltd. I don't understand your Cotton comment. Cheers.ww2censor 14:08, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

you put "needs wikifying" on Cotton (motorcycle) ... I only left the underscores in because i was very agitated. Understandably, you may not have noticed that all other instances of that have been removed from anything else I have edited.Seasalt 14:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Underscores, no proble, you know the deal on that.

Yes, I did; it need wikifying, Where are the links to the other topics mentioned in the article? Stanley Woods, Great Depression, side-valve, JAP, etc. have no links and you should assume that someone reading the article knows nothing about the topic and needs to have people, places, technology, etc. linked so that can follow them easily. However, don't over-link and only link an item once even if mentioned several times. ww2censor 14:20, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there a tool to tell you what words match pages, or do u just search the likelies? New Imperial probably needs some of that too, besides unit construction. Seasalt 14:25, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

No tool I know of, just intuition. As you write the article, or edit it, think of what words you know that casual readers might not know about and might be interested in. Look at other articles, for example Mike Hailwood or Triumph Motorcycles look decent while HRD Motorcycles looks bad to me. ww2censor 14:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

HRD Motorcycles eh? One of "mine". You will have me spending a couple of days linking, no doubt, before some other deficiency is pointed out that deflates me. Linking is probably not my forte (yet), but I'm still learning. Typing by Hunt & Peck too.

Perfectly happy with the moved comments. You are far better equipped to assess questions of Wikipedia style. I'm still taking it in.

Thank you for weighing in on New Imperial. Bedtime now. Cheers. Seasalt 15:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem, we all have to learn, even if slowly; confidencecomes later and with practice. I find it is easier to wikify as I go along writing an article; oh!, there is a word or reference I should wikify, then it is done. You can always wait for someone else to do it, or just add it to the wikify list on the project page. Don't get deflated, that is no use to any of us. It's is just a learning process. BTW, I once saw an article on speeding up ones computer - no. 3 on the list was learn to type" - even if you go from one finger to three it speeds everything up a good bit. Cheers and thanks for the contribs. Sleep well!!!!ww2censor 16:04, 17 October 2006 (UTC)