Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics/Archive 27

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As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Neem ka Ped is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 15:18, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

See my comments. Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 21:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I created an article on the 2007 South Asian floods since I felt that the displacement of twenty million people shouldn't go unnoticed. The article is rather brief, however, and I hope that some of you may be able to contribute with some local sources. Teemu08 01:22, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Should we add a section to the above about a dispute as to whether the 2007 South Asian floods were caused by, or are related to, or evidence of, Global Warming? Many in the media (at least where I live) talk about this. Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 19:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI:

New for August: independence for India and Pakistan

http://www.oup.com/oxforddnb/info/freeodnb/magazine/

Andy Mabbett | Talk to Andy Mabbett 09:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Possible banner to advertise this project. Is it OK?? Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 16:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Why do you want to add the india flag there?. Where do you want to add this image?. --SkyWalker 19:19, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Good question. There already is the Template:WP India for article talk pages. Are you thinking of adding this to the Template:Wikipedia ads? John Carter 19:28, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 18:37, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd shrink the flag a little, so it doesn't overflow the template, but otherwise I don't see any problems. John Carter 16:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

In spite of being, at least, an important language of India, the "Hindi" article is not featured. There are several issues- the treatment of diverse dialects ranging from Bihar to Rajasthan currently counted under "Hindi" and secondly the issue of common pieces of text written in 'Hindi','Urdu' and 'Hindustani' articles. Since Hindustani is the basic language for Hindi and Urdu, it is obvious. Extensive work needs to be done for a thorough improvement, and not only articles but also lists and boxes need to be created, requiring a dedicated project. Maquahuitl 14:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

In conducting a gradual overhaul of the central MOS and some of its daughter articles, the absence of a submanual for India-related articles appears to be a glaring deficiency. There are currently such submanuals for:

• Arabic transliteration
• China-related articles
• Ethiopia-related articles
• Ireland-related articles
• Islam-related articles
• Japan-related articles
• Korea-related articles
• Portugal-related articles

One user, User:Arwel_Parry, raised at MOSNUM the issue of Indian units of measurement—crores and lakhs—which brought this general deficiency to our attention.

Surely such a resource needs to be developed ... Tony 14:29, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

There is a Manual of Style (Indic-related articles), but it has not been fully developed. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 02:45, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

May I encourage people here to expand what is barely a stub. I'm ignorant of matters Indian, but I know that there is a lot to say about (1) naming, (2) Indian English, (3) conventions of weights and measures, numbers and dates, and (4) much more. I'm keen that this be done. Take a look at some of the other Manuals of style for country-related articles. Links are at MOS. Tony 11:11, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Note that Indic is not the same as India. Indic refers to Indian languages. In the context of MOS, it referred to Indic naming and transliteration. So an MOS for India-related-articles hasn't been created yet. Gizza^{Discuss ©} 09:19, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

So far as I remember, there was a huge discussion about what scripts can be used in biography pages. That needs to be part of any such MoS. --Ragib 05:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Since Indic (languages) are a significant part of the whole Indian-related world and the articles that describe it, it makes sense to extend the ambit of the currnet "Indic-related" manual to encompass all matters that need style guidance. Are there any volunteers for a team to get this going? Tony 06:28, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll volunteer, though my input is going to be limited in extent. Imc 18:24, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I want to volunteer as well. An Indic-related manual would be very helpful. Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 19:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have started the page, Wikipedia:Manual of Style (India-related articles). There are lot of conventions being followed for disambiguation. It would be good to get some consensus on that. The following need to be discussed:

• use of comma or braces for disambiguation
• use of "d" or "D" while naming districts
• creating district articles with the word "district" included even if a town with the same name does not exist.

Please help expand the sections and add new sections as needed. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 03:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, I can help a bit. Merging some of the articles may help. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 06:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

According to me the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (India-related articles) must supercede the Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Indic) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Indic-related articles). The last two manuals may be treated as sub manuals or be merged together. I think merging will not help as the languages like Bengali and Nepali are the main languages of Bangladesh and Nepal repectively, then almost identical three other manuals need to be created. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 07:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Ref.- Wikipedia:WikiProject Indian districts/Naming

Last time when the debate on the use of district in articles I was not much active at that time. It is understood that use of small d had won (7 votes) where use of capital D got 4 votes. I want to know what the formal decision was. As both of them have almost equal valid reasons and anti reasons, it got votes based on personal favouritism. I think lets have a poll once more with a community-wide attention:.(ie. Add it in the Wikipedia:Community Portal). Somebody may act as a neutral judge and can give his casting vote incase of a tie.(democratical process). This will give a clear concensus as last one was not clear. I am also holding the view that last votes may be taken into account as some of the users are not acive now. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 12:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

The page has become a victim on member vs sockpuppet wars. As I am certain Anwar saadat (talk · contribs) will not cease to commence edit warring, I am prematurely starting a discussion at Talk:Tamil_Nadu_Muslim_Munnetra_Kazagham#criticism on salient and relevant criticism of this organization. Please join.Bakaman 20:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I did not know if there is really any national poet of India. List of national poets lists four people as national poets of India. I've added a citation needed tag. If no response in reasonable time, IMO we should remove the information from the list.--Dwaipayan (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

You did the correct thing - India does not have any national poet as such though sometimes people call some poets as national poets of India. --Bhadani (talk) 15:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The article India, is now in a not so good condition. There are a lot of visible flaws in it. I think it would be bad to put it in WP:FAR. I am pointing out some of my concerns:

• Inconsistant use of ciations in Lead, going with the trend it would be better not to have any citations in the lead.
• Many parts of the article are not ciationed properly, mainly Government, Politics, Foreign relations and the military, Geography, Culture
• Missing section- Transport, Media
• Elaborate-
  • Climate- Temperature (create a seperate section) take data from Climate of India, it is a FA,
  • geography-political geography, neighbouring countries, latitude, longitude, timezone, size
  • Sports (better to create a seperate section)
• Link to sub articles, see also, adding of appropriate templates.
• The section 'Subdivisions' may be turned into prose. Name the largest state and district in terms of area/population.

This are my premilinary observations. Pls discuss the matter in Talk:India and improve the quality of the article. In short my main concerns are verifiability and compehensiveness. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 13:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You really need to post this on the Talk:India page. There is an active group of people there who pay attention to all issues related to the page. Creation of new sections etc. should all be discussed there. This has been the case since the time Nichalp and others first made it an Featured Article. I suggest that in order to be really helpful you read some of the posts in the archives on that page. Most of your suggestions (as they currently stand) have been made before and are not going to fly. I say this without malice. As for the citations, I agree there really shouldn't be any in the lead, but a few related to Kashmir etc. have to be added. Another was recently added after an editor insisted on proof. It could likely be removed once the drive-by editor has moved to other things. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

PS As for your mention of an FAR, I don't know if that is a threat or merely an effort to be condescending, but you are welcome to try. You'll likely be barking up the wrong tree. Better to go to Talk:India. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This is just my suggestions and i have posted here to get a wider audience. Now I have posted it in Talk:India as well, due to connection problems i couldn't post it there at that time. actually i hit the submit button almost at the same time but by the time it get submited, the connection got disconnected. I am not threatning, but if someone else put it in FAR it would not be good and better to solve it ourselve, without an official procedure Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 15:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

A debate has been raging on Sritattvanidhi whether slokas should be included in the article. To resolve the issue and make it a MOS, i approach you on suggestion of a fellow editor.

Please give your suggestions on issues:

1. Should slokas be included?
2. if yes, should they be in Devanagari or an Indian script OR in English IAST OR both ?
3. Should they be written in Devanagari or an Indian script OR in English IAST also, if the English translation is given.
4. How many maximum slokas should be included?
5. If any reference to the content of sloka is made(for e.g. if Maha Ganapati's characteristics are discussed in a particular verse of Sritattvanidhi), should the verse be quoted?

Please go through editors' comments on Sritattvanidhi talk page. Thank you.--Redtigerxyz 13:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Slokas may be incorporated in the newly proposed Wikipedia:Manual of Style (India-related articles) after a discussion. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 06:48, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

This isn't of complete irrelevance, but I feel this topic is more suited for WT:HNB (Hinduism notice board). Gizza^{Discuss ©} 08:42, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

I approached WP:IN on the advice of a fellow editor as this NB has more editors who can contribute. I had started a discussion on WT:HN with hardly any response. I think the issue can be resolved here and be made a MOS--Redtigerxyz 13:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I have commented on this issue here on WP:Hindu. In sum, I think a few slokas on a see also subpage, with original language and/or transliterations if possible for the short ones, as well as the English translations, are helpful, along with very brief context notes, e.g. "this sloka is based on (name of work, citation to verse, etc.)." -- Lisasmall | Talk 15:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Following a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, the categories for Indian women film choreographers and Indian women dancers have been designated for listing. I have created an article, Indian women in dance, which includes all of the women in those categories and more. I'm here seeking an expert who may be able to expand it beyond list status into full article. I do not have enough familiarity with the subject to do so. If you can help, please do. If expert help doesn't seem to be available, I will within a few days retitle the article to List of Indian women in dance. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl 12:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Kaka Nayaka is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 11:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone who knows Telugu please translate the table at the the Telugu version of the Narasimha Rao article to English. The article is the INCOTW. Cheers.--Shahab 16:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Can someone do something about this ugly and ungainly navbox - Template:1971 Indo-Pak War? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 17:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Does anybody know if this article Hindilisahutya is notable and if so can someone translate it? ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡^Talk 04:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Can some knowledgeable editors take a look at this page ? There are a series of edits being made there which are disputed and possibly against prior consensus (see here) but are not being discussed. I tried to appeal on the talk page for editors to step back and discuss the edits there before implementing the changes, but User:Lara bran did not respond. I am not sure whether the changes themselves are desirable or not, but the nascent edit-warring and editing without trying to build a consensus is definitely disruptive. Abecedare 05:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I second this appeal for other editors to take a look at this issue. Over the past several months the article was cleaned up from its prior state of being a highly sexualized article. If you examine the edit patterns for User:Lara bran (See edit analysis: [1]) I think you will find that her initial involvement with the Kama Sutra article was to add in details on sexual activities, and that the present edit war grew out of that. Lara has also been involved in some dubious edits related to Yoga pages that have been reverted by other established editors in the Hinduism and India projects. I have posted a list of substantive objections on the talk page for the article but she has not addressed any of them in a convincing way, and has ignored Abecedare's request to build consensus on the talk page for the article instead of just edit warring. Buddhipriya 06:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I would prefer a non-Indian editor, for {{worldwideview}}, though indian editors are welcome. We should analyze it not from indian point of view. I requested in Wikipedia:Third opinion. Thanks. Lara_bran 06:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, We are discussing reworking some material over at Talk:Mother Teresa and have realised we don't know how she was/is viewed by the India press and people (or indeed the Third World press in general). Anyone here able to contribute from a position of knowledge? We know about her state funeral and government honours in India and have seen [2] but that is a hostile source and therefore might not properly reflect what Indian reportage on her is really like. (Posting this at both WP:Bias and WP:India--Peter cohen 09:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Rueben lys has been trying to insert his version of the Indian Independence Struggle (with great prominence to Subhash Bose) in the India page. I explained to him that India is a FA and is about the Republic of India with a highly compressed history section in which exactly two sentences are devoted to the freedom movement. It has been that way since Nichalp helped it become an FA. Bose hasn't even made it to the History of India page, so it doesn't make sense for him to be mentioned in the history section of the India page. But Reuben Iys, doesn't seem to understand this, and has been blithely edit-warring. I noticed that he has lately also been systematically editing the Indian Independence Movement page. I haven't checked what edits he has made, but I have my suspicions. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 02:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

My point was to make the section more comprehensive and not give "great" prominence to Subhas Bose, which incidentally, you derive from the very fact that Bose was mentioned once in the whole edit I made, which suggests to me an altogether different issue that you have. You have almost accused me of having a Right wing and Saffronist PoV and have not given me time to address your concerns before you started reverting my edits. Also, I left a message on your talk page asking for collaboration to prevent the very edit warring that you talk about and have so far attempted to engage you in a discussion. I have explained my edits to you. I have not gone behind anyone's back and tried to round up a Posse. My edits so far on Indian independence related articles are, yes, to do with the INA, and no, not to do with Subhas Bose. If you wish to assume prejudice then I am sorry I cant help you. You will also notice I have left an RfC in the India talk page explaining what it is that I felt needed to be addressed and why I got the idea that it was factually wrong. In return you've half-quoted me three different encyclopaedias and said that these corroborate your view and hence should be the way. I am sorry but your views are your views and my views (sourced as well to well respected publicationss) my views, I am sure we could improve with both and more and it would help in improving the article. And FA articles can also be improved. With regards to Subhas Bose, it seemed to me that you have a PoV issue because of the the articles you quoted, the tone of the articles you quoted, and the tone of your derivations from those articles, which I pretty sure I would've had too if I didn't read both sides of the story (and I have read both sides of the story quite extensively, but I am not claiming authority). I can only ask you to abandon those PoVs when editing or you're inevitably going to end up clashing with some editor or the other. I do not wish to edit war or clash with anyone and hope the concerns you have can be addressed, as well as you can address mine.Rueben lys 00:30, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

A bunch of IP addresses in the 59.93.x.x range have been repeatedly vandalizing the CNN IBN and NDTV articles. It could possibly be the same person (with a different IP address each time. Can someone please take a look at those two articles' histories and see what can be done to prevent this from happening again? Binand 06:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Kuntan. Just mark those userpages with {{sock|Kuntan}}.Bakaman 03:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

One of this project's Good Articles, Taj Mahal, has been nominated for Good Article review. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. Drewcifer 02:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I stumbled across the article, Varshney and cleaned it up a bit, but was wondering if someone more knowledgeable than me could have a quick look for glaring errors or omissions? Thanks! --kateshortforbob 11:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and while I'm here, I suggest people have a look at the ongoing discussion on that talkpage about a unilateral page move. Hornplease 01:40, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

This is the sort of thing that a suitable section at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(India-related_articles) could help with. Imc 15:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I recently created an article about a Singaporean dancer, choreographer and teacher, Neila Sathyalingam. I'm wondering if an editor participating in this WikiProject can help by adding Neila Sathyalingam's name in Tamil script to the article. Thanks. Cheers, Jacklee 10:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, Sundar, for helping with the above. Cheers, Jacklee 13:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

There is a discussion going on at Talk:Yogasana#Opinion_Poll_on_this_article.27s_name about the title of the article. An editor believes that the article should be located at "Asana", since in English language that word is commonly used for Yoga postures. Another editor suggests that the article should be located at "Yogasana", since "asana" has other meanings in Sanskrit ("posture"). Those knowledgeable about the topic might want to contribute to the discussion. utcursch | talk 09:36, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of British Asian people (2nd nomination). Badagnani 02:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

In the event that there is any interest in such, there are now proposed projects for all the states of India which do not yet have projects on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals page. Personally, I think a lot of them probably may not have enough interested contributors to become active, but at least the degree of interest in such a project can now be seen. Please do not add your name as an interested party, however, unless you anticipate doing some regular work with the content that project would deal with. Thank you. John Carter 22:49, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I propose one more subproject, one dealing with all Union territories of India. Maquahuitl 11:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

• Sind Sagar Doab - lies between the Indus and Jhelum River rivers.
• Jech Doab (also Chaj) Doab - between the Jhelum and the Chenab River.
• Rechna Doab - between the Chenab and the Ravi River.
• Delhi doab, Sutlej and Yamuna. deeptrivia (talk) 22:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

You should concurrently post in WP:PAK since the first three Doabs are now in Pakistan, and there's quite likely greater expertise there. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 00:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I have a bit of a problem with an article about the town of Harugeri. I copyedited the article and explained on the talk page why in the process the article became shorter. However an IP user 20.132.68.133 has reverted the page to his pre-copyedit state. Could somebody from the India Project look at the different version, possibly I did shorten the article to much, I'm not sure. As a side note: I don't know much about India, I just copyedited the article with the content that was provided. 1redrun ^Talk 07:49, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Yet again, the article has been reverted to the likings of the IP user. Without notice or anything... 1redrun ^Talk 08:46, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

How to Search for (1) "Latest" and (2) "Archived" ""NEWS & FEATURE ARTICLES" on "Schools / anything" from top newspapers and magazines, also as well how to search for relevant Blog Postings many of which contain local "Print News Articles" not available online - EXAMPLE Mayo College

As we all know in addition to referring to the main official website if we can research as many news and feature articles from top newspapers and magazines on each subject (article on wikipedia) and highlight top points in our own words or by "quoting" by properly referencing all such research, it improves the wikipedia article many folds and makes it much more credible along with providing many excellent independent unbiased reference links to readers.

• In the following "News Search pages" you could search by trying different keywords for the same subject, and also change the subject to any other you are currently working on. Please be beware many of the search results will not be relevant. Please also note at the bottom or in the left margin of each "search result page" you will see links to additional related "search and alert services" being offered by these companies (Yahoo, Google etc.), all for free. Also note current news searches for current times may come up blank if there has been no current news or feature article written in the last few months, look in Google News ARCHIVES in that case:

1) "Google News Search" for Mayo College: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22&btnG=Search

2) "Google ARCHIVES News Search", including news from last year and before, has further links in the left margin to break up archived news by year and by publication, for news on Mayo College: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22Mayo+College%22

3) "Google "Blog Postings" search for Mayo College: http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&client=news&q=%22Mayo+College%22&ie=UTF8

4) "Yahoo News Search" for news on Mayo College: http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search;_ylt=A0WTTks7YtxGMgcB1xWy87UF;_ylu=X3oDMTBhNjRqazhxBHNlYwNzZWFyY2g-?fr=sfp&ei=UTF-8&p=%22Mayo+College%22

• In addition to above you can also make "As-It-Happens News Alerts" for articles that interest you and you will like to work on and want to keep abreast with. The news alert service provided by Google and Yahoo sends you latest news as it happens to your email inbox:

1) Set up Google News Alert at: http://www.google.com/alerts

2) Set up Yahoo News Alert at (for this you will have to sign in with your Yahoo Email ID first): http://alerts.yahoo.com/main.php?view=create_news_step1

I learnt about the above services in the last year while looking for news on Asiatic Lion and Asiatic Cheetah two subjects that interest me.

Hope this information will be useful to all, thanks

Atulsnischal 04:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

• For example here is a 1921 news item from "Google News Archives (see link abve)" that Prince of Wales comes to visit Indian Princes studying at Mayo College, Ajmer, India. News item from Washington Post:

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/access/190966712.html?dids=190966712:190966712&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&date=NOV+30%2C+1921&author=&pub=The+Washington+Post&desc=RAJPUTANA+GREETS+PRINCE&pqatl=google

Atulsnischal 07:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

You may want to look at www.webcitation.org to archive permanent versions of articles that will be removed from free online public viewing after they've been available for a certain time period. --Hebisddave 14:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The above section has been copied and spammed to multiple fora. The user has been previously made aware of WP:MULTI. See my comments at another noticeboard hereHornplease 01:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC) See my remarks

Hornplease is censoring articles about Hinduism and removing mention of atrocities committed by muslims against hindus.

Please track Hornplease, among many other continuously he has now censored Anti-Hindu and put up Destruction of Idol Temples for deletion in 5 days time.

He has put this tag on Destruction of Idol Temples and put up for deletion in 5 days time.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Atulsnischal (talk • contribs) 22:58, 29 Aug 2007

As noted elsewhere, I give up. This chap's first logged-in edit was a year ago, but he's behaving like he signed in yesterday. Hornplease 05:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Atul, see Wikipedia:Resolving disputes for resolving disputes on article. If you have problems with a particular editor, see WP:RfCU. Noticeboard is not the right place for these things. Assuming good faith and discussing the issue in a calm manner should help. utcursch | talk 09:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

In my opinion, utcursch is right. This is not the right place to resolve such issues. --Bhadani (talk) 11:59, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

He has been systematically deleting mass text from related wikipedia articles

and additionally he has continuously taken to stalking me WP:STALKING, please warn him too for both above and specially censoring wikipedia with his biased and bogus policy arguments for doing so

Reported user here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

Thanks Atulsnischal 03:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I have moved the article to Geological history of India. I have improved this article to a bit of extent and observed that none of the statement deals with the present geology of india. thanks, Sushant gupta 12:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bad move. Geological history of India is a subset of Geology of India. Please make sure they are two separate articles, with a summary of the history in Geology of India. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Is Bhandardhara the same thing as Bhandardara? They are spelled similarly, and the former isn't much liked by Google. Should we merge or just expand Bhandardhara? Thanks, --Moglex 11:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Please merge. =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Another merge - Bhaje caves and Bhaja Caves. Which is the preferred spelling? And capital letters? --Moglex 11:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Looking around, the word cave proper noun. I've been to these caves, and Bhaje seems to be the name I saw there. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 08:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi, could anyone have a look the Indian National Army article? I expanded the contents quite a lot in the last three months and have split it into the First INA and the Indian National Army articles, but the latter is quite long at the moment. Also,although I am adding to the article, there are bits that do need to be filled in. If anybody knows anything else, or can help with regards to compressing it without losing the info, that'll be helpful.Rueben lys 02:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've renamed the above article to Origin of Jats, as it was essentially a WP:POVFORK. It needs help from an expert to include other points of view. Isaac Pankonin 09:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that the website www.thehoot.org is linked from several India related pages but google (http://www.stopbadware.org/ to be exact) marks it as malware. Anyone know, if this is a temporary problem, or if this website should be systematically removed from wikipedia ? Abecedare 23:11, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

That database is user-reported. I fancy hoot's addition there is temporary. Hornplease 23:22, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Is that worth having an article of it's own? Does it have one and I'm just being blind? I'd like to contribute with someone about writing an article (if there isn't one already), but I don't feel as if I could do all by myself Speedboy Salesman 17:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

CANYOU rescue Pandit Todarmal - it is written in Indic script. --Montchav 11:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

the stub article Paneru is up for AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paneru with concerns over its veracity, any light on this topic will no doubt be welcome. Thanks. KTo288 18:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I think the Kayastha article needs some attention. Over the past year there has been a great deal of vandalism going on there, mainly with a particularly religious user insisting on adding unencyclopedic and biased content and going so far ad to threaten other users who try to correct this. See the talk page for a sample of his reasoning. If the article is considered important, I think some competent editors should look into straightening the article out and maybe adding protection to it if necessary. I have reported this in a variety of places here but no one else seems interested. Since it is India related content I thought some people here might be able to help. Thanks. 70.186.172.75 02:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

This article is unreferenced since June of 2006. The title itself looks odd to me and it is also tagged as an orphan. It has a Wikiproject India tag on it so I thought someone here might be able to clean it up and find at least one reference. Or maybe it should be merged/redirected to a better title. I am not sure what should be done with it.--BirgitteSB 20:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Churna is powder in Hindi, Bengali, Sanskrit and probably serveral other languages. This is English encyclopaedia and must have very less other language content. Moreover the content is not so good, title not according to MOS. The best solution is to delete this article. The most we can do is to have a redirect of Churna to Powder.Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 11:21, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into this. I couldn't figure it out.--BirgitteSB 13:01, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Friends, I observed that articles on Voice of Dharma, David Frawley,etc. are highly biased with pro-Communist pro-Western views. While I dont have anything with these people quoting from references, I feel that contrary opinions shouldnt be disallowed. However, this is not the case. The articles depict only pro-West, pro-AIT versions of history. These articles are remnants of colonial mindset and dont abide by neutral point of view (NPOV). -Ravichandar84 18:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

It would be very helpful if members of this project could weigh in on a dispute about the appropriateness of an image in the Culture section of the India page. The RfC is posted here. 22:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Article needed: the sarangi player Ram Narayan. Badagnani 03:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

A new article, Dhabol power project has been created. Does this supercede the article Dabhol Power Company? --Gavin Collins 01:45, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The subject is the same. The new article should probably be made a redirect. — Lost^(talk) 04:34, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Probably new article has come up due to confusion in romanisation of alphabate द from devanagari script द is pronounced like Th in The; While converting to romanised pronounciation some people get confused and try to write Dh which is wrong; now establish practice for while romanisation nouns whether it is pronounciation of D may represent either ड or द. Dh is more often represents for devanagari alphabate ढ

So Dabhol Power Company spelling is more correct and redirection from Dhabol power project to Dabhol Power Company is suggested

Mahitgar 17:08, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

(Who knows!)

It should be Ratnagiri Gas and Power Private Limited =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Can we make a rule of adding a section Cityscape in the city articles like the Paris article. Pls. discuss in the Wikiproject Indian cities.

CC:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indian cities Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 04:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

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In July 2007, Air India and Indian Airlines were formally merged into one entity. Now the question arises, what to keep and what not to keep in both the articles. In the Indian Airlines page, I think it would be best to keep most of the data and to change the tone of the page; ie. in future tense. Apart from this, what should be added to the Air India page from the Indian Airlines page, though according to me we should wait for this FY to end to get a clear image about the stats. One more proposal would be to select both the article for WP:INCOTW for the consecutive weeks to give them a better chance to get attention and some good constructive edits. I think this would be the right place to discuss the matter rather than the individual talk pages, as this lead to duplication. Pls. give your comments and suggestions. Amartyabag ^TALK2ME 16:45, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be merged. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:52, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

It should not be merged as they are different organisations. --Redtigerxyz 12:15, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

The template lists contains redlink districts which are not found on the List of districts of India page. Can someone check whether these redlinks are actual districts? Thanks Gizza^{Discuss ©} 23:23, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I see Bharat Rakshak being used on several articles. Can somebody convince me that it is RS? Or I plan to start removing them. I took a peek here and the links detailing mainstream media coverage of BR certainly proves that they are 'notable'. But reliable? Who are these people who run that site? What are their credentials? Are they acknowldged experts in the field? Or are they just amateurs taking something seriously.. These are the things that concern me most. Also, the fact that some time back I'd seen them plagiarising content from wikipedia doesnt inspire confidence. Does anyone here have info about the people who run that site. Please come forward. Thanks. Sarvagnya 06:07, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Given the source, it could be considered reliable. "A reliable source is a published work regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. Evaluation of reliability will depend on the credibility of the author and the publication, along with consideration of the context. Reliable publications are those with an established structure for fact-checking and editorial oversight." See Origins for more information. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I've seen that origins link already.. infact, it is mentioned in my message above. That page mentions a list of names. My question is, are those people acknowledged experts in the field or just a bunch of amateurs? If they are not experts, then BR is NOT RS. Sarvagnya 12:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

They do have people who interact with the military: "BR Correspondents" as they are called. I'm sure the Indian military would be well aware of BR, and in the case of an error or ommision, it could be corrected. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

What BR calls its contributors isnt of much consequence. I am, for example the "editor" of my blog. That doesnt make my blog RS. The only thing that matters is the credentials of these "correspondents". Are they experts or are they amateurs? If they are not experts, BR is not RS. Right? Sarvagnya 12:23, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Blogs are different. The site has comprehensive information in the Indian military. Given the nature of the source, there will be fact checking done. It cannot be termed as an A grade RS, maybe a B grade. =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

No. There are several sites run by amateur enthusiasts which are fairly detailed. But, short of rewriting WP:RS, I dont see these sites qualify as RS. And talking of blogs, blogs are sites too. Just because somebody spends $7.99 on godaddy and another 19.99 on some hosting service, doesnt make their blogs RS. The way I see it, for purposes of WP:RS, BR is no more or no less than a blog. For that matter, wikipedia has extensive content too... doesnt make it RS. Does it? Sarvagnya 12:34, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

So what is a RS? =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not aware of any criterion that says the authors have to be experts in their fields to have authored a reliable source. A reliable source would be one that is reputable, verifiable, and usually peer reviewed. BR publishes its own journal (magazine), the authors of the site have published a few books, especially on Indian aviation and history (amongst the few to have done so). I am also aware that in the past, BBC has posted BR articles as external or related contents link. BR certainly is very notable, and I would imagine that notabillity is not usually ascribed to inconsistent blogs, low quality and unreliable articles and authors of dubious credentials. Please also note that the BR links are permanent and verifiable references and sources and satisfies verifiabillity, a key wikipedia policy. It would be advisable not to remove these links from references, because in some cases (like the 1971 war) BR is amongst the few to have an extensive content and recognisable primary work and opinion. In addition, a number of the articles are sourced with permission from Sainik Samachar which is published by the Indian Ministry of Defence. I believe this satisfies wether BR is reliable or not.Rueben lys 13:58, 6 October 2007 (UTC)