Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing/Archive 14

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Many of the templates in Category:Latest stable software release templates were last updated in 2008, 2010, 2011, and so on, and are for abandoned software. I propose those pages be deleted, with their contents moved to the respective article infobox.

This proposal would address a separate problem, which is that most such templates are desperately out of date. If these templates only existed for currently-supported apps, it would make it easier to use Petscan to look for unmaintained/out of date templates (sort by date on Petscan), and to bring them up to date.

Also, since this is WP:COMPUTING, it would be real nice if someone could create a bot that parses the relevant pages, and keeps these templates automatically up to date. It would take far less time to review bot changes than to make these changes ourselves; it would prevent the pages from being too out of date, and it would save us from doing such boring, menial and unimportant work manually. DFlhb (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't see how these templates help with maintenance. Seems to be more of a hindrance. Whether updated manually or by bot, there has to a (cited) source for the information. I'm not sure how well a bot will be able to handle this given the variety of sources used. ~Kvng (talk) 15:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Compute currently redirects to Computing, which I guess reflects the use of the term as a verb ('to compute'). But this term has in recent years acquired another meaning, as a noun, where as far as I can see it refers to computational power. Where is that second meaning treated on Wikipedia? What to do with the redirect? – Uanfala (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

So maybe somewhere add a link to Computer performance? ~Kvng (talk) 15:39, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

I've opened up a discussion about Wccftech on Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RfC:_Wccftech_articles and I would appreciate if more people left their opinions on the matter. - nathanielcwm (talk) 12:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm Sarah from Mastercard. I've posted an edit request for one of our subsidiaries, Applied Predictive Technologies. You can see the request here. I used the request edit template and thought I would also let editors here know in case it is of interest to anyone. Thanks! SarahP2023 (talk) 18:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Please note that Audio editing software, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 15 May 2023 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

I noticed these articles, Power Management Unit (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and System Management Unit (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), they are written to seem to only exist on Macintosh computers, but PMUs and SMUs exist all over the place, not just as Apple parts. Shouldn't these be rewritten to show the wider world of PMUs and SMUs ? -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Unless expanded, both articles would be better covered as a section/subsection of an another article (with possible redirects). Specific chips are only rarely notable enough for a stand-alone article. Pavlor (talk) 05:04, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

I suggest WP:BLAR or merging rather than AfD or PROD. Those topics might be notable and it would be nice to keep the revision history. But they don't need to exist in their current state.

A lot of our hardware articles suffer from the same problem, and it's best to BLAR most of them into more foundational articles, expand and improve those, and only then, split back out when length becomes a concern. There are far too many stubs and it's hard to know what they're really about or how they fit together, since many of these stubs lack sourcing. DFlhb (talk) 05:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

Are there commonly accepted best practices for writing History section? Many computing articles have them in the beginning.

For historical articles, for example Cray-1, it unquestionably makes sense. It's a lot harder to understand purpose of them in modern ones, such as Google Ads or Brave (web browser), where they tend to attract news-like coverage without clear threshold for inclusion or purpose. In many cases, it looks like the material from "History" would often be better suited for another section of the article.

Are there any relevant guidelines or prior discussions that would indicate state of the present consensus for writing History in articles for current-day computing topics, as well as whether History is always expected to be the first section? PaulT2022 (talk) 10:54, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

20 years (Google Ads) is quite a long history for a computing related subject. I don't see this as a NOTNEWS issue (note I'm rarely interested in subjects younger than 25 years, so I have next to no experience with articles about recent topics). I'm not aware of any project specific guideline covering this (unlike eg. articles about videogames). Pavlor (talk) 11:17, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I guess, it's more a question of Google launched AdWords in 2000. Initially, Google set up and managed advertisers' campaigns. Google soon introduced the AdWords self-service portal to accommodate small businesses and those who wanted to manage their own campaigns. being next to an in-class academic exercise for tertiary students and In 2018, Bloomberg News reported that Google had paid millions of dollars to Mastercard having same weight. (If we are to take Google Ads as an example, but there are no shortage of articles with similarly written History section.)

I'm not sure I see how this is a useful explanation of the Google Ads history. What determines importance of a given news report to the overall history of the article subject?

I was hoping to discover (or develop?) some sort of collegial standard instead of relying on ad-hoc argument in case of individual articles. PaulT2022 (talk) 14:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

You're right, editors should not be in the business of judging the relative importance of primary sources like news stories. Generally in trying to ascertain the due weight of various historical facts, it is best to use secondary or tertiary reliable sources to establish their relative importance. For Google Ads, look for sources that discuss the history of Google Ads or Google in general. They should give a good idea of the milestones for the service and those could used to organize a history section and justify eliminating minor events with no secondary coverage. If a topic is so new that there are no RS discussing its history, it's probably best to not (yet) have a History section. --{{u|Mark viking}} {Talk} 17:35, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Would be nice to build a detailed importance table, like Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games/Assessment#Importance_scale. quite a few of our top-importance articles don't seem foundational, but it's quite tough to decide how to rate. DFlhb (talk) 21:46, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

We have one at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Computing/Assessment#Importance. Are you requesting more detail? ~Kvng (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes. Given the project's broad scope, detailed importance criteria would improve consistency; we should be able to ask 50 editors to apply the criteria to an article, and not end up with differing ratings. The criteria's focus on networking also contributes to ambiguity.

Rather than Internet Protocol be Top-importance, I'd rather have Computer network, Programming language, Data science, Computer science, Operating system, Mainframe, Personal computer, etc., notable companies, and broad historical eras. These are major subfields and "textbook subjects". Just note that beyond Internet Protocol, I've re-rated maybe two dozen articles, stuff like Microsoft Windows and Mac (computer) that wholly fit within these aforementioned topics. Perfectly willing to self-revert those re-ratings if you think I should. My rough inspiration was the WP:VG assessment scale which seemed better than ours. DFlhb (talk) 20:48, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

FYI. The article Functional decomposition has been PRODed. If anyone cares about it, they should take steps to clean it up a bit. I think its a valid (software and systems) engineering topic, but what do I know. 67.198.37.16 (talk) 00:34, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

I have WP:DEPRODDED based on what I take to be an objection. ~Kvng (talk) 15:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Now nominated for deletion. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Functional decomposition Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:14, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, this is Sarah from Mastercard. Dropping by to let editors here know that I've posted another request on Talk:Applied Predictive Technologies in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you! SarahP2023 (talk) 13:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

There has been some discussion on whether it is open source or not [1]

Anyone knows a proper source regarding this matter? FallingPineapple (talk) 01:59, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

is here FYI. -- Yae4 (talk) 18:49, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

History of artificial intelligence has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:51, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello!

This old, formerly unexplained Windows bug has been explained completely in a recently published YouTube video. Unfortunately, the explanation in the Wikipedia article is wrong, and the YouTube article doesn't look like a suitable source. The video does say how to reproduce the bug though, which I believe hasn't been done before. Someone familiar with what sources might work in an article like this should have a look. Thanks! --Renerpho (talk) 19:35, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

FYI, there is an RM at Talk:Computer security#Requested move 4 July 2023. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:33, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Not moved. Some reorganization will be done instead. ~Kvng (talk) 14:19, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

Office Assistant, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for the best name to use for the paperclip character. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Averixus (talk) 14:18, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Wikipedia:Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 17:44, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hot-potato and cold-potato routing#Requested move 29 August 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:09, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

I've recently nominated the article Herb Sutter for deletion here. Would love for some additional participants to help us reach a consensus. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Closed keep ~Kvng (talk) 14:35, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:HP Inc.#Merge request Chiffonr (talk) 18:20, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

The article PDP-9 says: "The 18-bit PDP systems preceding the PDP-9 were the PDP-1, PDP-4 and PDP-7. Its successor was the PDP-15." Wasn't the PDP-8 in there? Also, the predecessor/successor in the info box don't include the PDP-8. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:46, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I see that these are 18-bit computers, whereas the PDP-8 line are 12-bit computers. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:43, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

There is a discussion at Talk:7 nm process § Intel 7 regarding whether the "Intel 7" process node (previously known as 10nm Enhanced SuperFin) should belong in the 7 nm process article, or in the 10 nm process article. One side argues that it should be in 10nm article because most reliable sources call it a 10nm process, while the other side argues that it belongs in 7nm because its density and clock speed characteristics are as good as, if not, better than 7nm process nodes from competing foundries like TSMC or Samsung, and also a lot better than 10nm nodes from the competitors. Any help or more opinions on this matter would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks. — AP 499D25 (talk) 09:08, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Today I cleaned up the messy and overloaded intro of the BitTorrent article. It at least looks a ton better over there but there's still a lot of work that need to be done to the rest of the article. There's a lack of sources in too many places, and I think some restructuring is much needed. Anyone willing to improve the article is welcome. (on a side note, I am thinking of nominating Torrent file for deletion). Chifonr (talk) 12:45, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Convertible laptop#Requested move 11 October 2023 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

At Talk:Julian Assange#Mubarak closing mobile services there is a discussion about According to Andrew O'Hagan, during the 2011 Egyptian revolution when Mubarak tried to close the mobile phone networks, Assange and others at WikiLeaks "hacked into Nortel and fought against Mubarak’s official hackers to reverse the process".^[1][2]". This is supported by a reliable source but no independant source has been found saying any hacking by anyone happened. I think the author probably confused the then current situation with something about Assange in 1991. Report: Egypt Shut Down Net With Big Switch, Not Phone Calls gives a timeline. Do you think what is described sounds reasonable or is extraordinary? If extraordinary then an independent source is required. NadVolum (talk) 10:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Context and quotes

O'Hagan said At the time of the Egyptian uprising, Mubarak tried to close down the country’s mobile phone network, a service that came through Canada. Julian and his gang hacked into Nortel and fought against Mubarak’s official hackers to reverse the process. The revolution continued and Julian was satisfied, sitting back in our remote kitchen eating chocolates. [1] Some RSes quote and attribute this

and During my time with Assange there was a moment, it was during the uprising in Cairo, and it became obvious to Mubarak, the leader there, only too late that the revolution was essentially being organized by Blackberries, by social media, and by people fully in connection on their phones. So he closed down the Internet in the country, and I have to give him credit for it. It was an amazing thing to watch. It was new to the novel, new to the cinema, new to any sort of reportage that I’d ever encountered, was that five young people, young hackers in this house, me leaning my back against this typical English Aga, as they went to war from this house with Mubarak’s official hackers, going through the portals of a Canadian telecommunications supplier and fighting them in those dark corridors and finally beating them. [2] said live

Timeline shows intelligence service continues to shut down remaining ISPs until they restored it, so shut down never finished

Related talk Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#What_to_do_when_a_reliable_source_says_something_but_no_evidence_and_it_seems_very_unlikely? Softlem (talk) 11:10, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

See ISP for what they do, an ISP connects a user to the internet. If an ISP can't connect to the world wide web then it can only provide a very limited service to its customers including voice and SMS. The Ramses exchange connected the ISPs to each other and the world wide web and was shut down. The mobile phone voice service was mostly closed down but then allowed to operate again after one day. Analog landlines were not affected by the shutdown. What a portal of a telecoms equipment manufacturer in Canada can do in such circumstances I haven't the foggiest idea and I'd be frankly amazed if Egyptian intelligence officers bothered hacking it. Though I do know the Chinese hacked it to steal their manufacturing designs! NadVolum (talk) 12:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

If an ISP can't connect to the world wide web then it can only provide a very limited service And if a service that came through Canada was shut down in Canada then it would never reach Egypt

Please stay on topic. The mobile phone voice service was mostly closed down but then allowed to operate again after one day. Analog landlines were not affected by the shutdown. has nothing to do with what O'Hagan said since we found the second source where he says it was the internet, I thought it might be about calls but the second source sounds like I was wrong. What a portal of a telecoms equipment manufacturer in Canada Nortel did more than that they did telecom and wireline, optical, wireless networking and they bought companies that did too can do in such circumstances I haven't the foggiest idea and I'd be frankly amazed if Egyptian intelligence officers bothered hacking it. What you dont know doesnt help Though I do know the Chinese hacked it to steal their manufacturing designs! ^[relevant?]

I gave source quotes and links. Our opinions and OR dont matter. If you want the project to say something we should let them. If you want to argue, go to Talk:Julian_Assange#Mubarak_closing_mobile_services. Edtirs here know where to look Softlem (talk) 12:33, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Your "What you dont know doesn't help" is why I'm here. If people here can't figure out a way hacking in Canada can help when the internet in Egypt is switched off then it really is an extraordinary claim. We may all be ignorant and there is a way but it would still be an extraordinary claim. NadVolum (talk) 12:55, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Your "What you dont know doesn't help" is why I'm here. I know its why posted here, saying it again doesnt help

If people here can't figure out a way hacking in Canada can help when the internet in Egypt is switched off Please stop oversimplifying the timeline and what O'Hagan said

then it really is an extraordinary claim People here not being able to reverse solve something more than 10 years after without all the skill Assange had and information Wikileaks had then, more than we have, doesnt make it an extraordinary claim. If they say its impossible that going through the portals of a company that does telecom and wireline, optical, wireless networking and helped build Egypt's telecom infrastructure before, can help when Egypt's mobile phone network came through Canada and Egypt tried to shut it down then its probably an extraordinary claim

For now we should leave it for the people here Softlem (talk) 13:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

An alternative that Assange was telling him of his exploits in 1991 and he mixed it up with the current events in 2011 is altogether quite easily possible. NadVolum (talk) 10:04, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

The bit that probably is true is that the people with Assange cheered when the internet was switched back on after five days. But it is pretty obvious they played no part in that and "fighting them in those dark corridors and finally beating them" is a bullshit interpretation of what was happening by O'Hagan. Assange's team couldn't switch on the Ramses exchange and the ISPs did what the government told them to do. NadVolum (talk) 10:21, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

You wanted WikiProject opinions. Stop giving yours and telling them what to think and what is pretty obvious and what your WP:OR and WP:SPECULATION is Softlem (talk) 11:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

It was you who went on that it had to be impossible before it could be considered extraordinary - and then only probably extraordinary! Why are you so desperate to include this stupidity without even the tiniest corroboration and when some non-technical bloke like him could easily make the obvious mistake? NadVolum (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

It was you who said that people here had to explain it to you or it was extraordinary. Why are you so desperate to exclude something that has 6 or more sources it?

Im just asking you to not stop WP:BLUDGEONING and wait for someone here to reply and until then accept @HaeB told you Reliable sources do not owe you "evidence". You are a Wikipedia editor, not a judge in a criminal court case or a peer reviewer of submissions to a scientific journal.

If you want opinions from WikiProject stop bludgeoning and wait for them to reply. If you want to say you know better than the RS who saw it, find something new to say or wait for a question or get an RS to publish you so we can cite you Softlem (talk) 13:01, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Would you just stop with that six sources please. They all are just quoting Andrew O'Hagan, and attributing it to him. They are citations showing he said it, nothing else. There was no reason for any of them to have it fact checked. That is the sort of thing that makes me ask why are you so desperate to haveit in? NadVolum (talk) 15:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

I said they all attribute it to him.

There was no reason for any of them to have it fact checked. You asked at Verifiability and HaeB said all these reliable sources have made a judgment about his statements

why are you so desperate to haveit in? You said you would support its inclusion if you actually believed there was some truth in it rather than O'Hagan mixing up things by mistake. Why are you so desperate to remove something you agree is DUE because of OR? You wanted this process and comments so let the process happen and wait for comments and assume good faith Softlem (talk) 16:11, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

As to my reasons it alleges Assange once again hacked Nortel like he did in 1991 and was convicted of. As far as I can see every single one of O'Hagan's statements about it has big problems. I don't think it is right to reproduce an allegation of a crime with such unlikely evidence without any backup. Especially when he could easily have mixed it up with 1991. Just about anything besides another quote of what Andrew O'Hagen said is all I'm asking for, for instance that Nortel really did control part of the mobile phone service or its systems were hacked or some evidence of hacking in Egypt during the shutdown or some explanation of how he could actually do anything in Egypt. I don't require evidence Assange restored the internet after defeating Mubarak's hackers like Andrew says. What are your reasons for wanting it in? NadVolum (talk) 16:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

What are your reasons for wanting it in? Its DUE like you said and an RS saw it and like HaeB said reliable sources have made a judgment about his statements and no one denied it Softlem (talk) 17:16, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Those reliable sources are just others copying what O'Hagan said and saying he said it. They're not independent sources and they're not even in the least interested if it is true or not, they're just doing things like advertising his book. You just shouldn't do that, it's wrong. I'm finding it hard to assume good faith on youtr part. NadVolum (talk) 01:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Anyway I'm abandoning this. It is obvious nobody on this project is going to respond and I'm not going to find people with relevant experience elsewhere to give an opinion. I'm sorry it is so easy for rubbish to be stuck into Wikipedia. NadVolum (talk) 08:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Here canvassing in an attempt to get more discussion for a topic I started at RSN related to the publication cmswire.com. Since the source is pertinent to this project and used on a lot of pages that fall under this project, would hope someone can weight in on the discussion. CNMall41 (talk) 04:18, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

See Talk:Razer Inc.#"American-Singaporean" where I questioned whether Razer is best described as an 'American-Singaporean' company. Cfsprt (talk) 14:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Please note that 3dfx, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

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Hello there! I'm stopping by because I have a COI and need an independent editor to review some changes I'm proposing to the NerdWallet article's Products and services section. This WikiProject is listed on the NerdWallet Talk page, so I figured someone here might be willing to help out.

If you follow this link to the NW Talk page, you'll see that I had been talking to an independent editor about these changes, but they dropped off the thread. I've tried reaching out to them once already, but I don't want to be a pest. I'm wary of making demands on volunteer editors' time. If someone here could pick up where that other editor left off, I would deeply appreciate it. I'm available for any questions you may have. Thanks! KB at NerdWallet (talk) 18:39, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Null (SQL) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:17, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Voice over LTE#Requested move 10 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:31, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Forth (programming language) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I am working on creating a new WikiProject, and I am looking for others to join in the creation of WikiProject Operating systems. If you'd be interested in joining and supporting the project, add your name to the proposal support list here. Thanks! OnlyNano 20:45, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I applaud your enthusiasm, but I fear this new project will be too small to survive in the long term. In any case, I will continue to work on computer history related subjects (if I find the time...), so I will help your WikiProject indirectly. Pavlor (talk) 06:22, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

That would be great, thank you! OnlyNano 16:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Internet Relay Chat#Requested move 29 January 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

FYI

 – Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

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The article Global Diplomacy has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

The article about a computer game lacks sources and seemingly lacks notability per the advice at WP:NVG. The linked webpages are also dead, indicating no continued relevance. One alternative would be to merge with Email Games, the game's publisher, but there is no such article.

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I added this game to List of play-by-mail games, using the archived sources on the PROD'ded page, and redirected there. Felix QW (talk) 08:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I've submitted a draft article on converged databases for review. I'm requesting that someone review it and approve it if it's acceptable. Thank you!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Converged_database KLR422 (talk) 00:25, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Accepted. Thanks for the contribution. ~Kvng (talk) 14:31, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm very appreciative and proud to make a contribution. KLR422 (talk) 16:45, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

I've started a discussion about how to handle these seemingly overlapping articles. Input appreciated. —DIYeditor (talk) 11:49, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Artificial intelligence art/Archive 1#Requested move 28 February 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Digraphs and trigraphs#Requested move 2 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense诉 02:01, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

There's a dispute at MP4 file format about its status as an open file format, and since we've reached the limit of the three-revert rule, I would like to ask for opinions at its talk page. Fernando Trebien (talk) 15:25, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

A related discussion is now also going on at Open file format § Open formats require an open licence?. --Fernando Trebien (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:TACL#Requested move 12 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Brusquedandelion (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi, This article could use the input of a knowledgable editor (i.e., not me...) --Randykitty (talk) 14:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) § AI for WP guidelines/ policies. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 14:39, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested merger discussion at Talk:List of fictional computers#Merger proposal 18 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dash77 (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Surface Pro (2017)#Requested move 11 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Lightoil (talk) 10:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Project Harmony (FOSS group)#Requested move 22 March 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. asilvering (talk) 22:58, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

I am seeking guidance on the appropriateness and any suggestions for improvement/editing on the following proposed section: Talk:LiveJasmin#Latest_proposed_"Controversy"_section_after_a_number_of_suggestions Alexfotios (talk) 16:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I've been looking at Base address which is currently an unref page. I'm not clear if the references I'm seeing are referring to the same thing, I was hoping someone here could perhaps improve the page? Thanks. JMWt (talk) 08:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Computer simulation#Requested move 2 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Jason Baumgartner#Requested move 16 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 20:17, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:CounterSpy (software)#Requested move 27 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 22:59, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested merger discussion at Talk:Online chat#Merge to Synchronous conferencing and move usable content to various articles that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:14, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

I wonder if anyone here could take a look at my edit request on Talk:Cyberattack ? TIA Buidhe paid (talk) 23:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Technology#Pictures of eponyms of graphics processor microarchitectures for a discussion on whether Nvidia graphics microarchitecture articles should have pictures of the people they are named after. —DIYeditor (talk) 06:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Please note that Sun Management Center, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 27 May 2024 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Small form factor (desktop and motherboard)#Requested move 3 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Alalch E. 11:32, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

COBOL has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 15:38, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Internet Information Services#Requested move 17 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 00:39, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

I have nominated PowerBook 100 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. George Ho (talk) 08:32, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I have submitted previously draftified SurrealDB for inclusion into mainspace. Please join the discussion on it's talk page. Mr Vili talk 06:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I have specified a software methodology call FOO (Function-Oriented with Objects). The methodology mainly relates to avoiding use of v-tables and the hidden "this" pointer in programming practice. The FOO methodology does allow use of data objects and pure functional interfaces as long as the objects meet the aforementioned criteria. You may learn more at https://www.codepages.net/ and selecting the "Use FOO" menu item. I am happy to discuss and further describe about FOO. An additional important aspect of FOO is performance of software with GPU and I can provide reference information about that also. (My background: I am a degreed and experienced [over 25 yrs] software engineer working for corporations. FOO is important not only for coding reasons, for example see this article about problems with OO https://engineering.purdue.edu/tgrogers/papers/zhang.asplos2021.pdf)

After I had created a first draft of the FOO article and Mujinga and I discussed it, we both agree that, because I am the author of the "FOO" methodology, that if someone is interested in writing the article, that may work better for establishing the article on Wikipedia. The draft of the article is on the my homepage here.

Thank You Gregory McPherran

Engineer-1024 (talk) 10:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Twitter under Elon Musk#Requested move 24 May 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 00:45, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I'm here as a representative of Fastly, an edge computing and content delivery company. I was wondering if anyone at this WikiProject would be interested in handling an edit request I've put forward that seeks to improve the Fastly article's Operation section. The section as it currently exists is light on good citations. My draft tries to fix that issue and adds some information about how the company's products and services have expanded over the past few years.

If this sounds interesting to anybody, please use this link to view my edit request. If you think the draft can be improved in any way, just leave a message on the Talk page and I'll do my best to accommodate your feedback. Thanks! Jagger at Fastly (talk) 06:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

The article Service-oriented distributed applications has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Poorly explained and jargony article that seems like the topic is better covered in other related articles like Service-oriented architecture, but that might be because I don't understand the topic that well.

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Unified Canadian Aboriginal Syllabics (Unicode block)#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ideographic Description Characters (Unicode block)#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 • [𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺] 22:41, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ideographic Description Characters (Unicode block)#Requested move 14 July 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ecolego#Requested move 6 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:05, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Reeves AN/MSQ-77 Bomb Directing Central#Requested move 16 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 12:02, 25 August 2024 (UTC)

Micro Instrumentation and Telemetry Systems has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:38, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Neuromorphic engineering#Requested move 24 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:51, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Twitter#Requested move 25 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 17:31, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Brazilian investigation into Elon Musk#Requested move 1 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 03:05, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Arrest of Pavel Durov#Requested move 28 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 05:13, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

Hey everyone, comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Peer review/IMac G4/archive1. Would appreciate technical and non-techy eyes on it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 11:43, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Wi-Fi 6#Requested move 29 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 18:38, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Oracle Cerner#Requested move 19 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 98𝚃𝙸𝙶𝙴𝚁𝙸𝚄𝚂 ^{[𝚃𝙰𝙻𝙺]} 03:18, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Lebanon pager explosions#Requested move 19 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 03:48, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello,

I am studying the foresaid computer and fixing part of the information in the article. Wikipedia is not a primary source, therefore I am updating data in my website, then updating the wikipedia article. While I cannot leave the wrong data at place, I am facing a moral dilemma on wether I should be updating it if I am also one of the sources.

For this reason I would like to ask a revision on the foresaid article by somebody else that is not me who could also be critic of my own work. I am open to suggestions and questions.

Also, I am facing the language barrier for the other wikipedias that still display the wrong information. Could anybody help me, please?

Thank you in advance and sorry for the trouble.

Buran Biggest Fan (talk) 12:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I not sure I see a WP:COI here. However, it does not smell right to use your own site as a citation for improvements you make. You must have gotten your information from somewhere else; can you cite that? If you feel you can't make corrections, consider using {{Dubious}} and talk page discussion to help other editors help you. Admittedly it is a niche topic and help may not be immediately forthcoming but there have been 35 contributors to the article over its 20-year existence. ~Kvng (talk) 16:20, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I am boosting an edit request for Template:WikiProject Computing to add the rest of the descendant wikiprojects as parameters to the main template. A list of missing projects is collected there.

Consensus is needed. Tule-hog (talk) 05:09, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Please note that Image, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of the Articles for improvement. The article is scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Community portal in the "Articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by — MusikBot talk 00:05, 21 October 2024 (UTC) on behalf of the AFI team

15.ai has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested merge discussion at Talk:BitTorrent#Requested merge 30 September 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Sceeegt (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi all,

I'm in the process of rewriting Information Security and could do with someone looking over my shoulder/helping clear out some of the general fluff. All welcome. Joe (talk) 15:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

History of programming languages is pegged as a "list class" article. It has a lot of lists in it but it also has a lot of text. Do you think this categorization is appropriate? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:22, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

I've updated the rating to C class. ~Kvng (talk) 15:04, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Meta Platforms#Requested move 29 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 21:23, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing/sidebar#recent_Computing-related_changes and Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Computing/Archive_13#Project_watchlist (courtesy ping to DFlhb), I propose appending the target of /Recent changes to the home page's article alerts, similar to WP:COMPSEC.

Here is a preview (styling sourced from COMPSEC):

It relies on the Editorial Team quality log, which I'm not totally sure of the mechanics of but it gives recent changes to articles rather than the previous just talk pages. Tule-hog (talk) 18:46, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Given typical interaction levels on this page, I'll just boldly follow through with this. Feel free to raise any objections. Tule-hog (talk) 18:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

From observing for a little while, I think its clear this is an almost uselessly small subset of the actual articles tagged with WP:COMP. A better solution still awaits. Tule-hog (talk) 01:42, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:.zip (top-level domain)#Requested move 19 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 03:07, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Identity management#Requested move 12 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 16:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gapo#Requested move 10 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:CloudPets#Requested move 18 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gateway, Inc.#Requested move 20 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Is anybody interested in making spoken Wikipedia audios at scale? I think it could up to double Wikipedia reads and that many readers would be interested in these: most people don't like to read long articles as texts on screens but millions frequently listen to podcasts.

I increasingly find myself listening to these audios instead of to podcasts or audiobooks as Wikipedia covers more interesting things, things fitting better to my interests or needs, covers things better than podcasts (e.g. more neutral, accurate & critical), and is more succinct than overly long audiobooks.

Here is the process to create these as far as I developed it and it could already be used to e.g. fulfill all audio requests. I think most people don't scroll below the large References section to the External links section and the current audio player is outdated with a way too narrow width and without a button to jump back x seconds. Let me know if you have questions. I don't know if there's a better place to ask about this so if there is, please also let me know, thanks!

Prototyperspective (talk) 17:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I suggest we can maximize the impact of this effort by working popular pages first. ~Kvng (talk) 15:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Good idea, thanks. Currently, it's more about first maximizing participation I think but making popular pages available probably also helps with that. I thought of creating audios for these next so I'd create audios for a mix of these two kinds of articles and the ones I had already planned earlier the next time I get to it. I also thought about enabling people to request audios on the WikiProject page. I think audios are most useful for 1. lengthy articles that are interesting but not so nice to read on a screen (like the example above) 2. articles about topics that are well podcastable/audiobookable like 'History of xyz'-articles.
Several of those popular pages are already available as audio, e.g. Internet Archive & Artificial intelligence. Developing the process further would probably be most useful, e.g. to make it automatically replace abbreviations with their written out form (like e.g. to for example or M to million) or remove the periods after name initials (like J. K. Rowling to J K Rowling) which results in long pauses which then need to be fixed at some point with a reupload if only noticed afterwards. Issues with audios can be reported using this template. Prototyperspective (talk) 22:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• ChatGPT
• Wiki
• Artificial intelligence
• History of wikis

By the way I added audios for many of those popular pages by now. However, they or many of them are not particularly well suited for the audio format like the examples in Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia spoken by AI voice. If the article is long (ie too long to read) and you're interested in the particular subject they can still be interesting; and of course visually impaired people would also benefit from these. Prototyperspective (talk) 12:17, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

In 2023 [3], this article turned from a general topic to a business topic; and from a non-AI topic to an AI-topic. This seems odd, as the article already describes non-business uses; and uses that are not-AI based. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Double-precision floating-point format § Semi-protected edit request on 28 December 2024. – Anne drew (talk · contribs) 21:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi WikiProject Computing Editors,

I wonder if any editors would be interested in reviewing our suggestions for the Tencent Cloud page? I'm on Wikipedia on behalf of Tencent hence we have only made suggestions via it's Talk page, but have not heard back for 3 weeks (we're aware it's holiday season!).

Your help would be appreciated!

Best,

Yeran TencentCommsYeran (talk) 04:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

MacBook (2006–2012) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Hog Farm _Talk 23:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Could someone with knowledge weigh in on an editor's Jan 7-8th edits on Locomotive BASIC? I'm out of my element, but it's very confusing how the article is called Locomotive Basic, but seems to (from this editor's changes) to now have a main focus on Amstrad and barely mentions Locomotive. Either they are content forking/hijacking the article, or the article needs moving. Zinnober9 (talk) 16:47, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

The article Village Area Network has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved 15 years. Tagged for notability for 10 years.

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Steam (service) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 14:18, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

This article has been unsourced for almost 15 years. Our options are:

1. Find and add reliable sources; or
2. Merge with a relevant article; or
3. Go to WP:AfD.

Bearian (talk) 21:09, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

WP:NOTCLEANUP. Please do a Scholar and Books search before taking this to WP:AFD. It appears to be a notable topic. ~Kvng (talk) 19:12, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

Category:Virtual reality pioneers has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:56, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Itanium has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 20:41, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Here is another stub, unsourced for 15 years. Please help to source this. Bearian (talk) 04:33, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Here's another stub for you and your Project to source! Bearian (talk) 11:23, 28 January 2025 (UTC)