பயனர் பேச்சு:Doc James

Please check out our medical translation project here [1]. We would love to have your help. James Heilman, MD (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 17:26, 10 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

வாருங்கள், Doc James, விக்கிப்பீடியாவிற்கு உங்களை வரவேற்பதில் மகிழ்ச்சி அடைகிறோம்!

உங்கள் பங்களிப்புக்கு நன்றி தொகுப்புக்கு. விக்கிப்பீடியா என்பது உங்களைப் போன்ற பலரும் இணைந்து, கூட்டு முயற்சியாக எழுதும் கலைக்களஞ்சியம் ஆகும். விக்கிப்பீடியாவைப் பற்றி மேலும் அறிய புதுப் பயனர் பக்கத்தைப் பாருங்கள். தமிழ் விக்கிப்பீடியாவைப் பற்றிய உங்கள் கருத்துக்களையும், ஏதேனும் உதவி தேவையெனில் ஒத்தாசைப் பக்கத்திலோ அதிக விக்கிப்பீடியர்கள் உலாவும் முகநூல் (Facebook) பக்கத்திலோ கேளுங்கள். தமிழ் விக்கிப்பீடியாவில் கலந்துரையாடலுக்கான ஆலமரத்தடியில் முக்கிய உரையாடல்களைக் காணலாம். நீங்கள் கட்டுரை எழுதி, பயிற்சி பெற விரும்பினால், அருள்கூர்ந்து உங்களுக்கான சோதனை இடத்தைப் (மணல்தொட்டி) பயன்படுத்துங்கள்.

தங்களைப் பற்றிய தகவலை தங்கள் பயனர் பக்கத்தில் தந்தால், தங்களைப் பற்றி அறிந்து மகிழ்வோம். விக்கிப்பீடியா தங்களுக்கு முதன்முதலில் எப்படி அறிமுகமானது என்று தெரிவித்தால், தமிழ் விக்கிப்பீடியாவிற்கு மேலும் பல புதுப்பயனர்களைக் கொண்டு வர உதவியாக இருக்கும்!

நீங்கள் கட்டுரைப் பக்கங்களில் உள்ள பிழைகளைத் திருத்தலாம். கூடுதல் தகவலைச் சேர்க்கலாம். புதுக்கட்டுரை ஒன்றையும் கூடத் தொடங்கலாம். இப்பங்களிப்புகள் எவருடைய ஒப்புதலுக்கும் காத்திருக்கத் தேவையின்றி உடனுக்குடன் உலகின் பார்வைக்கு வரும்.

பின்வரும் இணைப்புக்கள் உங்களுக்கு உதவலாம்:

• விக்கிப்பீடியாவின் ஐந்து தூண்கள்
• விக்கிப்பீடியா:கொள்கைகளும் வழிகாட்டல்களும்
• விக்கிப்பீடியா:தமிழ் விக்கிப்பீடியா இவை அன்று
• கட்டுரையை எப்படித் தொகுப்பது?

மேலும் காண்க:

• {{கலைக்களஞ்சியக் கட்டுரை விளக்கம்}}
• {{பதிப்புரிமை மீறல் விளக்கம்}}
• {{பதிப்புரிமை மீறல் படிமம்}}
• {{தானியங்கித் தமிழாக்கம்}}
• {{வெளி இணைப்பு விளக்கம்}}
• {{கட்டுரையாக்க அடிப்படைகள்}}

-- ஸ்ரீகர்சன் (பேச்சு) 09:41, 10 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

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Hi James, I appreciate you and your team for translating medical articles, which would be good asset to us. I would like to bring to you couple of issues, which that reflect in our village pump. 1. Medical terms or technical wording seem high. It would be good for “all readers” if translator uses simple words. 2. If you could split the articles and save them partial by partial instead of entire article, it would help us in many ways such as correction, negative impact as machine translation, etc. Thank you. --Anton^{·٠•●♥Talk♥●•٠·} 18:26, 10 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

I am not doing the translation. It is done by volunteers at Translators Without Borders. I could let them know. These are not machine translation. What do you mean by "partial by partial"? Would you be interested in being connected to the translators? We would love you to join in this effort. Am working on simplifying the article more before I give them to the translators. James Heilman, MD (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 19:15, 10 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

James, We want people/Translator to upload the article part by part instead of bulk upload. For ex article is 1000KB we ask them to upload it 250KB, 2502KB, 2502KB, 2502KB like that. they can upload it after 100KB too. It will help for proof reading. I know Wiki medicine/Translation task force/RTT has proof readers but wiki people will help in proof reading and reduce wiki task force proof reader work. so english wiki bot does not consider your team article in tamil as machine translation, we had this experience "Tamil's sole long article was tagged as a machine translation" with english wiki because of google translation article. It will reduce many red links and will help to use technical term which is used in wiki for better understanding (one word in all wiki articles). --குறும்பன் (பேச்சு) 16:34, 11 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

Okay. It is hard for us to upload it bit by bit. The translation is done on this website as that is were the translators feel comfortable.[2]

If someone on Tamil Wikipedia is willing to take on the integration of the articles after they are translated than this would be possible. Would you be interested? James Heilman, MD (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 19:39, 11 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

James, I am ok for it but is it possible to include 2 more people from Tamil wiki as integrator? --குறும்பன் (பேச்சு) 00:22, 13 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

Certainly. Let me know if you need further details. 207.216.73.45 05:13, 13 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

Halo James! First of all, thanks that you left an immediate response in my talk page after I made a comment on the translated articles by the team of Translation Task Force. Sorry for my delayed reply to you. The reason is simply because, we have been discussing this issue in our village pump and waited until I know what we can do to improve the situation. Anton and Kurumban have already brought up the message from the village pump here. We really appreciate and are happy about the project when it leads to more complete medical articles in Tamil wiki. As Anton and Kurumban have mentioned, only a few things made us worry since we had problems with the google translated articles.

• If you think that your translators cannot upload the article bit by bit, a few Tamil wikipedians can help in this process. Kurumban has already agreed to be as an integrator. I'm also in and do some proof reading and uploading to Tamil wiki. I see here that Karthi.dr and Senthi are included in your project. We have a comparative project page in Tamil wiki and the people who are connected there will, hopefully, join in this project. And some other Tamil wikipedians also can join when the project gets going. So, uploading to Tamil wiki will not be a problem.
• When the articles are under proof reading, our Tamil wikipedians can find the correct technical terms that is broadly used in Tamil wiki and edit them or give the correct internal links. If your team of translators give the English technical terms within brackets, then it would be easier for us to find the corresponding terms in Tamil wiki, even though we are not familiar with the Tamil term they use. In this way, we can avoid the red links. Giving the English term in the title can also be avoided when there is widely used Tamil technical term is available. For example the Tamil term is available for the title ஹைபர்டென்ஷன்.
• Selection of articles is another problem. If you translate an article that already exists in Tamil wiki, then we have to spend more time on transferring contents and merging the two articles. But if the selected article is a google translated article, and when the new article is a complete one, may be we can merge them without transferring the contents and save time. Would you like us to suggest the articles?

Thanks and looking forward to work with you and to increase the comprehensive medical articles in Tamil wiki :).--கலை (பேச்சு) 11:44, 13 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

I am happy to leave uploading to your group. With respect to articles for translation, we are only translating them once they reach GA or FA. We do not want to translate poor quality content. Do you want to email me and I can put you in contact with the translators? James Heilman, MD (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 01:54, 14 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks James! We will contact the translators and discuss these issues. Don't we need the access to the workspace to read/edit/upload articles that are completed by the translators? Please let us know how do we do this.--கலை (பேச்சு) 22:46, 15 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

Instructions are here [3] and the password is there aswell. James Heilman, MD (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 03:00, 16 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

The Corresponding article in Tamil wiki, டெங்கு காய்ச்சல், was actually created by a Tamil wiki user and then edited by many (including me). When we do the edits on any articles (not only the ones included in this project), we used to translate from English wiki too. I downloaded the 'Dengue fever - Tamil translation' from TWB space and compared the article that exist in ta.wiki. The one in ta.wiki is not a direct translation of English article. But the one in TWB space is a direct translation. So, it's really confusing when TWB article is noted as 'Live' and directly connected to the ta.wiki article. It may provide an appearance that the TWB translated article is uploaded in ta.wiki, when it is not correct. So please kindly make the necessary changes in TWB space and in english wiki project page. May be the article in TWB space can be marked as 'Done', but not linked to the ta.wiki article for the time being. In the project page also, it may be marked as 'completed', but not 'Live'. When we have time, we can go through your translated article and include the contents in our existing article. Thanks. --கலை (பேச்சு) 23:43, 21 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply

Yes so it would only be a partial translation than? This is similar to what is being done by the Italian team. The translations are all done by local Wikipedians based partly on the "good articles" / "featured articles" we are writing in English. Have changed live to done to match the wording we used there. James Heilman, MD (talk · contribs · email)(please leave replies on my talk page) 23:56, 21 சனவரி 2014 (UTC)Reply